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You know what you are right.

Here is my point:

Greeks for the most part want Greece to remain strongly majority Greek ( at all age brackets ).

We have accepted plenty of immigrants for the size of our economy enough is enough.

If someone came in here illegal or never has had legal residency and they have kids here that does not obligate Greece to offer them citizenship and residency. Their parents fucked up.

Now if someone has legal residency and has kids they should mak it known their intention to apply for citizenship for them and their child right away as soon as its born.. and then the state should decided whether it wants to renew their residency permit or not…with the understanding if they do they may be obligated to grant citizenship the longer they stay….But a responsible state would tell those who are here legally that if they have kids here they may loose residency and be asked to leave…bcause it will unsettle the native demographic..

All this should be based on some preset cap.

We are past the societal comfort levels and labor needs for any economic immigration.

NO MORE economic migrants.

The only legitimate people to be taking about are True asylum seekers and what capacity we have to absorb and deal with them.

there are easily millions of legitimate asylum seekers and refugees they all are legitimate but there is only so much capacity in receiving societies.

and if a nation is seen as a soft touch they will migrate there.

My position is that automatic birth right citizenship is a bad idea.

But if someone is born and raised here to Legal residents then we are dealing with another situation.

You are saying lts just someone pop out a kid and presto three new Greek citizen the mom, the dad and the baby.

Thats silly and ridiculous.

If the EU and ECJ have rules that disregard the desire of the indigenous peoples of each European state to maintain their nationhood (majorities) then those are evil rules.

And besides the EU is not so great and is not protecting Greek interests…in fact by being in the EU the Pakistanis are drawn to Greece thinking if they land here they can become EU citizens.

EU does nothing to pressure Turkey to leave Cyprus
does nothing to push Turkey to keep its agreements with Greece regarding migrants..etc’
so what good is the EU…foisting its horrible EURO currency on us and controlling us from the ECB a privately owned bankster bank.

WHY ARE EUROPEANS OBLIGATED TO BECOME MINIORITIES IN THEIR NATION STATES? WHAT AN INVERSION OF THE TERM HUMAN RIGHTS.

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so according to you this means grant auto birth right citizenship and pursue suicidal policies that will make the indigenous people minorities.

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Basically, as I keep telling you, if you dont like Europe go and join the Arab countries. Stop whining about Israel and Japan, as if they were part of European civilisation.
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Considering that groups like EJC advise/lecture the EU and the big mouths like you are Jewish its only appropriate to bring up the hypocrisy of Jews supporting mass immigration of noneuropeans into europe and multiculturalization of our societies while supporting that their kins folk in israhell can do what thy like and have an exclusive state.

Konstantinos: I dont understand what you disagree with.

All of you: you seem to be ignorant of the fact that Greece is a member of the EU and the Council of Europe, is bound by the jurisprudence of the ECJ and ECHR. Basically, as I keep telling you, if you dont like Europe go and join the Arab countries. Stop whining about Israel and Japan, as if they were part of European civilisation. For fuck’s sake, try to learn a bit about the continent Greece resides in, instead of wanting to be like Turkey.

I am not saying that first generation immigrants should get citizenship, but if second generation immigrants do have citizenship they can defend there rights. You can avoid an expansion of citizenship to first generation immigrants buy a constitutional amendment which is hard to overturn. I disagree with DD’s and Xenos view, and Cyd’s because it is hard for any country that remains liberal capitalist to isolate itself to that degree (And Japan is paying for that isolation as we speak). But your system is problematic because it doesn’t avoid the outcome you want to avoid. It just makes the minority smaller.

I did not say “viciousness”. The fact is that most come from war zones or countries of abject poverty and Greece as a part of the EU has a legal obligation to protect them.

Citizenship of the country where you were born and educated is a normal thing in the developed world: I’m sorry to hear that Greeks want Greece to remain as Third World.

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actually the war zone thing would apply to asylum seekers/refugees …you are confounding the second category of economic migrants with the first when you way people living in abject poverty.

MOST of the world is in abject poverty…immigration to the west is not the solution…nor would it work for the west or the sending countries as a solution..it might help relatively few people proportionally speaking.

In any case there are limits and we have reached them here with economic migrants and in fact Greece will sink down as will all majo0r western nations if they continue to be flooded with abject poverty..
rather than importing people we would be better off in exporting professionals to advise these poorer nations to develop their country..

or better yet maybe the illegal/immoral International Finance can just forgive the debt that they foisted on these people.

Now those Rothschilds, Warburg, Schiff, etc. they are evil and illegal. and they are NOT Greek but of some of there category.

No, we do not need to request answers from a liar and hypocrite with ulterior motives. Sorry. He certainly can look for the door and use to get the f*ck out of Greece though. That he still can do, but not much else.

Citizenship of the country where you were born and educated is a normal thing in the developed world

That’s not entirely true! Israel and Japan don’t offer citizenship to foreigners, why should Greece?
In fact, seeing what goes on in Brittain and France, I don’t understand what the Greek people will earn by offering citizenship to immigrants. Can somebody please answer this simple question?
What will improve in Greece if it goes multicultural?

Citizenship of the country where you were born and educated is a normal thing in the developed world: I’m sorry to hear that Greeks want Greece to remain as Third World.

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baby shaq …your response is the best you can do…
rudeness in a crowded grocery store = heartless monsters

how about holding 1.5 million people in a huge prison camp denying them food and water and bombing them with phosphorus now that’s heartless. but the people doing that are related to Xenos and are not Greek.

I was merely alluding to the fact that there are Greek humanitarian workers, priests, lay people, etc. who feed the hungry and provide medical care to migrants .we even had blood drives to give blood to turks in 1999 due to their earthquake tragedy.

are greeks saints no they are just people like all other people…..

See I am really only aware of one tribe on earth that indoctrinates its children in to thinking those outside of it are lower subhuman forms of life in human form and that the supreme being loves them only…and its okay to lie cheat or steal from all those others because they are special and can treat others like shit.

I was never taught that by my parents or church.

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your point Xenos is:

My point is that everything Greeks do is illegal (not to mention abusively handled) so what is the big deal? Greece is a country of illegality and corruption: deal with it, and stop trying to deny it.
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is typically Jewish…racist and hateful..and typically British..condescending and arrogant…typically you..

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Greece is a country of illegality and corruption: deal with it, and stop trying to deny it.

….we learned from the masters of corruption then seeing how they have lived amongst us for so long.

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truth be told, NO i do not think this way about all Jews.

But am merely being offensive to dish it back.

You can make nasty generalizations against Greeks and its okay with the “lady” that runs this board.

Do you like it when people say Jews are criminals/evil?

Of course not, so I do not like it when you are saying the same about my people as a whole.

if you want to criticize policy, leaders, government, etc thats fair game but painting us with this broad brush of all of us being evil doers…is not okay..and probably why you have such a hard time presenting your case on your positions to others.

now can someone please stop side stepping my question..

why is it only European based cultures are being asked to be swamped by the masses….japan does not, israel does not, gulf states do not make citizens of non muslims non arabs…all rich

And considering your self-identified heritage perhaps since you are having no success in convincing Greeks on your views or policy suggestions you might want to speak to your British Compatriots in the UK or your ethno/religious kinsmen in Israel about human rights.

Is the Lout, Jewish? If he is, he is an even bigger hypocrite than even *I* took him for. I’m shocked.

Regardless of this delight of Greek manners, the point is that some people here have the gall to complain that immigrants in Greece do not have the correct documentation. My point is that everything Greeks do is illegal (not to mention abusively handled) so what is the big deal? Greece is a country of illegality and corruption: deal with it, and stop trying to deny it.

Now, as I agree with PD, there is a problem that there new illegal migrants cannot possibly find work, so only those with genuine asylum claims should be able to stay. Again, this needs to be dealt with, instead of complaining about Turkey.

The final issue, the focus of this thread, is about the rights of immigrant children. These are set out in international human rights law: deal with it. Stop complaining about everyone else.

PD, you’ve never been to Sklavenitis supermarket on a busy day. Absolute Chaos, no one pays attention to common courtesy. When I travel abroad, and see Greek people acting like Greeks (read pushing/cutting the line etc) at airports abroad. I tell them Signome, Kyreia, you’re not in Greece anymore, manners and good behavior now apply!!