Comments on: Asylum in Greece http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/ The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108332 deviousdiva Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:18:40 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108332 Oath Taken, so my admission (which I did not have to make) that there holes in my knowledge is yet another way of ridiculing me? I do try and read as much as I possibly can on everything I write but to be all things to all people is totally impossible. Had you chosen to write about the suffering of the truck drivers, as another point of view on the subject, I would have been glad to have listened and learned. But no, you chose to use it as another way to say "you are wrong" Oath Taken, so my admission (which I did not have to make) that there holes in my knowledge is yet another way of ridiculing me? I do try and read as much as I possibly can on everything I write but to be all things to all people is totally impossible. Had you chosen to write about the suffering of the truck drivers, as another point of view on the subject, I would have been glad to have listened and learned. But no, you chose to use it as another way to say “you are wrong”

]]> By: Oath Taken http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108325 Oath Taken Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:23:35 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108325 Somehow I'm not surprised that you never considered that the truck drivers could be suffering as well Diva. :-( I read once a text in Greek by a truck driver that decided to quit his profession after discovering a dozen migrants in the back of his truck - he just could not take the pressure and the thought of ending up in prison for trafficking (and he had taken all reasonable precautions). If I locate it again I can post a link for anyone interested. Dear Dr. House - I wish it were that easy. We have cases where padlocks were cut (in line to load on - trucks waiting to load move slowly and in spurts), migrants entered the truck and another padlock was used to close the door and give the appearance of no problems. Of course upon closer inspection one realized the padlock was different but that does not always happen before it's too late. Plus of course, once found the migrants resist getting evicted from the truck (and there's lots of them and they are desperate). And of course the port authorities do not have the time to allow every single truck driver to inspect his vehicle under their watch - it's a port after all and time is money. An X-ray or heat scan of the contents of the truck would work fine AFAIMC and would catch other things as well but that requires costly equipment. And that is all assuming there are no corrupt truck drivers or port officials - and of course some exist. That reducing the gap between rich and poor countries and taking away the immense need to escape one's country for a better future is the best answer to the problems illegal migration is causing is (and if it is not it should be) obvious to all. BUT that is unfortunately a task that even with the political will behind it (try convincing people in Europe now in the middle of a world economic crisis to spend their euros on the 3rd world) takes a lot of time. In the meantime one has to deal with illegal migration. And treating it as a problem of racism alone does not help - in fact when good-wishers like yourself and your Greek equivalents downplay the problems caused by the illegal migrant camp to the inhabitants of Patras you are indeed helping racism take roots as the only political forces that actually seem to care about their side of the story are the extremist ones... I grew up in a Greece where the far right had to hide among the center (and thereby moderate its rhetoric) right as it could not survive in parliament on its own. All it took was the social upheaval of the 1990s and the racist pricks could once again come out of the closet in full regalia and become the 5th party in parliament. Somehow I’m not surprised that you never considered that the truck drivers could be suffering as well Diva. :-( I read once a text in Greek by a truck driver that decided to quit his profession after discovering a dozen migrants in the back of his truck – he just could not take the pressure and the thought of ending up in prison for trafficking (and he had taken all reasonable precautions). If I locate it again I can post a link for anyone interested.

Dear Dr. House – I wish it were that easy. We have cases where padlocks were cut (in line to load on – trucks waiting to load move slowly and in spurts), migrants entered the truck and another padlock was used to close the door and give the appearance of no problems. Of course upon closer inspection one realized the padlock was different but that does not always happen before it’s too late. Plus of course, once found the migrants resist getting evicted from the truck (and there’s lots of them and they are desperate). And of course the port authorities do not have the time to allow every single truck driver to inspect his vehicle under their watch – it’s a port after all and time is money. An X-ray or heat scan of the contents of the truck would work fine AFAIMC and would catch other things as well but that requires costly equipment.

And that is all assuming there are no corrupt truck drivers or port officials – and of course some exist.

That reducing the gap between rich and poor countries and taking away the immense need to escape one’s country for a better future is the best answer to the problems illegal migration is causing is (and if it is not it should be) obvious to all. BUT that is unfortunately a task that even with the political will behind it (try convincing people in Europe now in the middle of a world economic crisis to spend their euros on the 3rd world) takes a lot of time. In the meantime one has to deal with illegal migration. And treating it as a problem of racism alone does not help – in fact when good-wishers like yourself and your Greek equivalents downplay the problems caused by the illegal migrant camp to the inhabitants of Patras you are indeed helping racism take roots as the only political forces that actually seem to care about their side of the story are the extremist ones… I grew up in a Greece where the far right had to hide among the center (and thereby moderate its rhetoric) right as it could not survive in parliament on its own. All it took was the social upheaval of the 1990s and the racist pricks could once again come out of the closet in full regalia and become the 5th party in parliament.

]]> By: Michael Scowcroft http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108321 Michael Scowcroft Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:59:23 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108321 Dr House, After you ensured that there were no asylum seekers in your truck, this is the song you'd play in your truck while driving into Blighty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxAtpgoGhE You'd sing along to it in your fake foreign accent :) Dr House,
After you ensured that there were no asylum seekers in your truck, this is the song you’d play in your truck while driving into Blighty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxAtpgoGhE

You’d sing along to it in your fake foreign accent :)

]]> By: Dr. House http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108320 Dr. House Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:16:40 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108320 If I was a truck driver, I would ensure my truck had a secure lock on the door, and also would not enter the ship until I had searched every nook and cranny of my exterior/interior of my vehicle, and all under the eyes of the port authority folks loading the vehicles on the boat. Sounds fairly easy. Pay attention to your truck prior to boarding. If I was a truck driver, I would ensure my truck had a secure lock on the door, and also would not enter the ship until I had searched every nook and cranny of my exterior/interior of my vehicle, and all under the eyes of the port authority folks loading the vehicles on the boat.

Sounds fairly easy. Pay attention to your truck prior to boarding.

]]> By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108314 deviousdiva Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:14:22 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108314 To be perfectly honest with you, Oath Taken, I had never thought about the situation with the truck drivers. It's a difficult issue because some people are <strong>knowingly</strong> trafficking people so I don't know how that could be resolved ? One of the main problems I see is that there always has been and always will be economic migration as long as there is such disparity between rich and poor. Perhaps we should be focusing on fixing ? Sounds a lot like "sharing the wealth" doesn't it ?! I am not afraid to say that I agree with this idea. I would much rather "share my wealth" for developing infrastructure in poorer countries <strong>including</strong> Greece than lining the pockets of the corrupt. To be perfectly honest with you, Oath Taken, I had never thought about the situation with the truck drivers. It’s a difficult issue because some people are knowingly trafficking people so I don’t know how that could be resolved ? One of the main problems I see is that there always has been and always will be economic migration as long as there is such disparity between rich and poor. Perhaps we should be focusing on fixing ? Sounds a lot like “sharing the wealth” doesn’t it ?! I am not afraid to say that I agree with this idea. I would much rather “share my wealth” for developing infrastructure in poorer countries including Greece than lining the pockets of the corrupt.

]]> By: Oath Taken http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108306 Oath Taken Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:01:35 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108306 It would be interesting for the sake of completeness - balance is not something I expect - if DD wrote something about the problems that truck drivers face with the illegal migrants trying to get on their trucks. What happens to them if the migrants succeed to get on: a) and the Italian authorities find them in their truck. Do you realize that they get charged with trafficking? b) and a migrant dies in the truck because of too much heat and/or lack of water/food? They also get charged with manslaughter? c) their cargo is invariably destroyed and the cost comes out of their own pocket. It's no wonder the truck drivers see the migrants as their enemy - you may want to see racism in their behavior (which in the latest incident became illegal in the case of the driver that hit the boy) but it's a lot simpler than that: the migrants trying to get on their trucks represent a daily danger to their own freedom and their family's livelihood. And frankly, even if (as it should ASAP) the Greek government fixes things in the camp and it stops being in the disgraceful state it currently is in, for as long as economic migrants seek to cross to Western Europe the truckers and the migrants will find themselves on opposite sides. It would be interesting for the sake of completeness – balance is not something I expect – if DD wrote something about the problems that truck drivers face with the illegal migrants trying to get on their trucks. What happens to them if the migrants succeed to get on:
a) and the Italian authorities find them in their truck. Do you realize that they get charged with trafficking?
b) and a migrant dies in the truck because of too much heat and/or lack of water/food? They also get charged with manslaughter?
c) their cargo is invariably destroyed and the cost comes out of their own pocket.
It’s no wonder the truck drivers see the migrants as their enemy – you may want to see racism in their behavior (which in the latest incident became illegal in the case of the driver that hit the boy) but it’s a lot simpler than that: the migrants trying to get on their trucks represent a daily danger to their own freedom and their family’s livelihood. And frankly, even if (as it should ASAP) the Greek government fixes things in the camp and it stops being in the disgraceful state it currently is in, for as long as economic migrants seek to cross to Western Europe the truckers and the migrants will find themselves on opposite sides.

]]> By: Michael Scowcroft http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108284 Michael Scowcroft Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:31:05 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108284 Poor countries lack the financial means to provide housing, jobs and education for immigrants so there's bound to be criticism of their human rights towards immigrants. But richer countries such as the USA and UK have an abysmal record of mistreating immigrants even though they have the infrastructure to deal with them. Greece and Portugal are poor. What is <strong>our</strong> excuse for mistreating immigrants? welcome party for immigrants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCL2IqgjSc "He <em>was</em> a good son" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fz09SE73_E "There's a load of immigrants round here" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv7IaIkfM7o&feature=related "I've moved away from my immigrant hell hole" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDanuupdDdk&feature=related Poor countries lack the financial means to provide housing, jobs and education for immigrants so there’s bound to be criticism of their human rights towards immigrants.

But richer countries such as the USA and UK have an abysmal record of mistreating immigrants even though they have the infrastructure to deal with them. Greece and Portugal are poor. What is our excuse for mistreating immigrants?

welcome party for immigrants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCL2IqgjSc

“He was a good son”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fz09SE73_E

“There’s a load of immigrants round here”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

“I’ve moved away from my immigrant hell hole”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

]]> By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108275 deviousdiva Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:09:50 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108275 I have posted many many times about "good Greeks". Heartwarming stories about Greeks who are making a difference. I have also posted many articles about the problems that affect the entire population. The fact that you choose to ignore those posts is not my problem. Please see <a href="http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/16/help-floods-in-for-migrant-workers/" rel="nofollow">here </a> and <a href="http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/12/priests-assist-migrant-workers/" rel="nofollow">here</a> about the priests who helped migrant workers. Here is an article about <a href="http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/19/building-bridges/" rel="nofollow">another priest trying</a> to make a difference. Here is <a href="http://deviousdiva.com/2008/11/04/greek-youth-give-me-hope/" rel="nofollow">Greek Youth Give Me Hope</a> This is just from a quick search of recent articles I have posted. There are many many others that you can find quite easily. There's a search function at the top of my sidebar. Unfortunately, human rights issues are generally negative so you might have the impression that this blog is negative too. But I do try and post ANY positive news I find. I have posted many many times about “good Greeks”. Heartwarming stories about Greeks who are making a difference. I have also posted many articles about the problems that affect the entire population. The fact that you choose to ignore those posts is not my problem.
Please see
here and here about the priests who helped migrant workers.
Here is an article about another priest trying to make a difference.
Here is Greek Youth Give Me Hope

This is just from a quick search of recent articles I have posted. There are many many others that you can find quite easily.
There’s a search function at the top of my sidebar.

Unfortunately, human rights issues are generally negative so you might have the impression that this blog is negative too. But I do try and post ANY positive news I find.

]]> By: Post Disagreement http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108272 Post Disagreement Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:27:38 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108272 I propose a fund raiser to alleviate Xenos of his seething in hatred everyday against Greeks and Greece.. he is obviously stuck her by no choice of his own or because he does not have resources to leave or he is loath to admit he comes from a country that is much more corrupt and fucked up then Greece. They way you blog is so nasty. Why would you even want to be here? It makes no sense. At least while I disagree with Diva hotly on many things...at least she attempts to keep it balanced sometimes. There is no these Greeks or everything is illegal and corrupt in Greece. (Greeks are some how especially corrupt and evil...have not been paying too much attention to the news from the USA, Britain and with bailouts for billionaires have you...?)--I know there are corrupt Greeks obciously they are selling our country to the New World Order EU and taking bribes to facility the transportation of illegal aliens in to Greece...What I have a problem with is your generalizations and characterizations...of all or most Greeks...criticize the government all you want. Secondly, many greeks on the islands including priests have provided aid to these people washing up on our shores...but you do not hear about that...only bad Greeks..how dare they want to NOT be flooded with a wave of humanity....in case you have not noticed Grece has its own financial problems these days and issues with unemployment..so when your own house is on fire you focus on fixing that and saving your family first not every one showing up at your doorstep asking for help. I propose a fund raiser to alleviate Xenos of his seething in hatred everyday against Greeks and Greece.. he is obviously stuck her by no choice of his own or because he does not have resources to leave or he is loath to admit he comes from a country that is much more corrupt and fucked up then Greece.

They way you blog is so nasty. Why would you even want to be here? It makes no sense.

At least while I disagree with Diva hotly on many things…at least she attempts to keep it balanced sometimes. There is no these Greeks or everything is illegal and corrupt in Greece.
(Greeks are some how especially corrupt and evil…have not been paying too much attention to the news from the USA, Britain and with bailouts for billionaires have you…?)–I know there are corrupt Greeks obciously they are selling our country to the New World Order EU and taking bribes to facility the transportation of illegal aliens in to Greece…What I have a problem with is your generalizations and characterizations…of all or most Greeks…criticize the government all you want.

Secondly, many greeks on the islands including priests have provided aid to these people washing up on our shores…but you do not hear about that…only bad Greeks..how dare they want to NOT be flooded with a wave of humanity….in case you have not noticed Grece has its own financial problems these days and issues with unemployment..so when your own house is on fire you focus on fixing that and saving your family first not every one showing up at your doorstep asking for help.

]]> By: Post Disagreement http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108271 Post Disagreement Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:17:22 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108271 Since you lived in 4 or 5 countries Xenos and Greeks and Greece is so horrible why are you staying here..???? Since you lived in 4 or 5 countries Xenos and Greeks and Greece is so horrible why are you staying here..????

]]> By: Post Disagreement http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108270 Post Disagreement Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:15:40 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108270 I am bored with the hate speech of some of these Greeks who appear on your blog, DD. They obviously resent other Europeans living in Greece, they object to the concept of human rights.. let them go to Iraq or somewhere with no rule of law, then they will find out what life is about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your bored find something else to do. I do not resent other people living in Greece I do resent the amount of people coming in...having no control over immigration is lawlessness...so what the hell are you talking about. I am not against human rights you are against speech that disagrees with your lets flood Greece with all comers. You denied the genocide of Greeks of Asia Minor/Pontians Greeks in another post..if you deny the holocaust most people would consider that hate speech...what about your hate speech against Hellenes. NOTICE you ignored my questions in my previous post and jsut deflect with cries of being bored with the hate speech. I hate you without having met you because you obviously have ill will towards my people. I am bored with the hate speech of some of these Greeks who appear on your blog, DD. They obviously resent other Europeans living in Greece, they object to the concept of human rights.. let them go to Iraq or somewhere with no rule of law, then they will find out what life is about.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If your bored find something else to do.

I do not resent other people living in Greece I do resent the amount of people coming in…having no control over immigration is lawlessness…so what the hell are you talking about.

I am not against human rights you are against speech that disagrees with your lets flood Greece with all comers.

You denied the genocide of Greeks of Asia Minor/Pontians Greeks in another post..if you deny the holocaust most people would consider that hate speech…what about your hate speech against Hellenes.

NOTICE you ignored my questions in my previous post and jsut deflect with cries of being bored with the hate speech.

I hate you without having met you because you obviously have ill will towards my people.

]]> By: Michael Scowcroft http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108253 Michael Scowcroft Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:13:00 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108253 Also, notice how people like Xenos use the word "these" when describing another group of people? They don't say "I am bored with some greeks", they say "I am bored with some of <strong>these</strong> Greeks" or "how do all <strong>these</strong> Jews make their money?" or "These Asians, they don't like integrate, do they?" . When the word "these" is used in a sentence pertaining to a group of people, you can bet your mortgage that's it's being used in a derogatory way. It's common parlance for racists and xenophobes. Remember when McCain said "that one" while pointing to Barack Obama during a presidential debate? I believe these slips-of-the-tongue betray an inherent, albeit unconscious, racism. Look at Barack's face just after he heard it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkykrDu32Wo&feature=related But people like Xenos are more deliberate with their use of the derogatory pronouns. You'll find Brits of his ilk making good use of "these" in sentences such as: "<strong>These</strong> bloody foreigners, coming over here, taking all our jobs.." "<strong>These</strong> blacks, there's too many of them in this country..." "<strong>These</strong> Pakis, with their corner shops" "I don't mind all <strong>these</strong> immigrants but i support forced repatriation...." In all of the above sentences, the correct word to use would be "the" instead of "these" or drop the pronoun altogether. But your average racist isn't very proficient with the English language. Just like American media often use the word "illegals" to refer to "illegal immigrants". The word "llegal" is an adjective and shouldn't be used as a noun - racist language is wrong on so many levels... Also, notice how people like Xenos use the word “these” when describing another group of people? They don’t say “I am bored with some greeks”, they say “I am bored with some of these Greeks” or “how do all these Jews make their money?” or “These Asians, they don’t like integrate, do they?” . When the word “these” is used in a sentence pertaining to a group of people, you can bet your mortgage that’s it’s being used in a derogatory way.

It’s common parlance for racists and xenophobes. Remember when McCain said “that one” while pointing to Barack Obama during a presidential debate? I believe these slips-of-the-tongue betray an inherent, albeit unconscious, racism.

Look at Barack’s face just after he heard it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

But people like Xenos are more deliberate with their use of the derogatory pronouns.
You’ll find Brits of his ilk making good use of “these” in sentences such as:

“These bloody foreigners, coming over here, taking all our jobs..”
“These blacks, there’s too many of them in this country…”
“These Pakis, with their corner shops”
“I don’t mind all these immigrants but i support forced repatriation….”

In all of the above sentences, the correct word to use would be “the” instead of “these” or drop the pronoun altogether. But your average racist isn’t very proficient with the English language. Just like American media often use the word “illegals” to refer to “illegal immigrants”. The word “llegal” is an adjective and shouldn’t be used as a noun – racist language is wrong on so many levels…

]]> By: Michael Scowcroft http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108252 Michael Scowcroft Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:45:57 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108252 ^^British intolerance towards southern europeans is mainly well-concealed and just simmers under the surface of British society. But when bigotted Brits like Xenos let rip, they really let rip against "the foreigner". For someone who said he wouldn't post here anymore, you make an awful lot of hate-filled appearances, xenos. If you're 'bored', get on your bike me old china plate..... (at least you used the words "some Greeks" which is an improvement on the offensive generalisations you spouted from your racist arse last time). ^^British intolerance towards southern europeans is mainly well-concealed and just simmers under the surface of British society. But when bigotted Brits like Xenos let rip, they really let rip against “the foreigner”.

For someone who said he wouldn’t post here anymore, you make an awful lot of hate-filled appearances, xenos.

If you’re ‘bored’, get on your bike me old china plate…..

(at least you used the words “some Greeks” which is an improvement on the offensive generalisations you spouted from your racist arse last time).

]]> By: Xenos http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108250 Xenos Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:53:31 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108250 I am bored with the hate speech of some of these Greeks who appear on your blog, DD. They obviously resent other Europeans living in Greece, they object to the concept of human rights.. let them go to Iraq or somewhere with no rule of law, then they will find out what life is about. I am bored with the hate speech of some of these Greeks who appear on your blog, DD. They obviously resent other Europeans living in Greece, they object to the concept of human rights.. let them go to Iraq or somewhere with no rule of law, then they will find out what life is about.

]]> By: depfa http://deviousdiva.com/2009/02/04/asylum-in-greece/#comment-108249 depfa Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:03:56 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/?p=1530#comment-108249 Raivo Pommer raimo1@hot.ee Depfa Bank Krise Es handelt sich dabei um eine nachrangige Anleihe über 500 Millionen Euro. Die für den 21. März geplante Zinszahlung falle nach einem Beschluss des Verwaltungsrats der Depfa aus. Eine Entscheidung zu ähnlichen Papieren der Depfa stehe noch aus. "Diese Nachricht könnte das Vertrauen in das Marktsegment erschüttern", kommentierten Anleihenhändler. "Das ist ein politisches Debakel", sagte Bankenprofessor Klaus Fleischer von der Fachhochschule München. Schließlich seien die Garantien und Hilfen des staatlichen Rettungsfonds Soffin in Höhe von mehr als 102 Milliarden Euro in die HRE-Gruppe geflossen, "um Schaden vom Kapitalmarkt abzuwenden". Nach Angaben der HRE hat die Bankengruppe vier Nachranganleihen im Volumen von insgesamt 1,55 Milliarden Euro ausstehen. Zinstermine sind im März, im Juni und im Oktober. Der Analysedienst Dealogic gibt den Gesamtmarkt vergleichbarer Nachranganleihen in Europa mit 300 Milliarden Euro an. Raivo Pommer
raimo1@hot.ee

Depfa Bank Krise

Es handelt sich dabei um eine nachrangige Anleihe über 500 Millionen Euro. Die für den 21. März geplante Zinszahlung falle nach einem Beschluss des Verwaltungsrats der Depfa aus.

Eine Entscheidung zu ähnlichen Papieren der Depfa stehe noch aus. “Diese Nachricht könnte das Vertrauen in das Marktsegment erschüttern”, kommentierten Anleihenhändler.

“Das ist ein politisches Debakel”, sagte Bankenprofessor Klaus Fleischer von der Fachhochschule München. Schließlich seien die Garantien und Hilfen des staatlichen Rettungsfonds Soffin in Höhe von mehr als 102 Milliarden Euro in die HRE-Gruppe geflossen, “um Schaden vom Kapitalmarkt abzuwenden”.

Nach Angaben der HRE hat die Bankengruppe vier Nachranganleihen im Volumen von insgesamt 1,55 Milliarden Euro ausstehen. Zinstermine sind im März, im Juni und im Oktober. Der Analysedienst Dealogic gibt den Gesamtmarkt vergleichbarer Nachranganleihen in Europa mit 300 Milliarden Euro an.

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