Both of these provisions reflect the issues relevant after 1945. Since then, apart from extending the Geneva protection to non-Europeans, governments have done **** all to protect anyone’s rights. In fact, they are mostly responsible for the current problems of mass illegal migration everywhere in the world.

If I have the money to buy a house I have the right to purchase a house but it does not obligate someone else to sell their property to me when they do not want to sell there house.

What about the fact that this mass immigration pushes down wages?

Really I am not aware of these laws..except perhaps in the case of ASYLUM SEEKERS….and I am sure that there is SOME LIMIT that the receiving nation can impose on immigration if not then that’s an unjust law…..what if 20,000,000 Chinese Catholics want to immigrate seek asylum because of Chinas on child forced abortion policy…to a small country like Greece or even Italy which is bigger in population and size ans resources..according to this law would the receiving nation be OBLIGATED to take in all 20,000,000

I believe in helping people regardless of race, etc. but there are limits.
If my expenses are 1,000 Euros a month and I make 1,025 Euros then I only have 25 Euros to give not 50 100 or 500.

If the ethnic Greek population in Greece is less than 10,000,000 and we have a low replacement rate fertility and have allowed 2,000,000 people to settle here..thats over the top.

WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS REASONABLE LIMITS?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Exaggerated…yes the 20,000,000 was exaggerated to make a point and ask a question…at what point is too much or too ungenerous or since you point to a legal obligation…at one point have we fulfilled our legal obligation…or moral obligation in your eyes….until we are on the brink of being a minority in our own country?????????????????????????????

Currently there are close to 2,000,000 in a population of 10,000,000 and in a few generations the proportion of Greeks to non-Greeks will be close to 2:1. instead of 5:1 as it is now. I think the ratio of Greeks to Non-Greeks below age 18 is something like 4:1. and declining….

Regardless of whether your Jewish or GLBT your site is very sympathetic to both minorities….My point is/question still stands…. are you aware of Muslim attitudes in the Netherlands towards Gays and Jews….despite being in the most liberla nation in Europe and anti-hate speech laws in that country Imams have stated things like that they should be thrown off cliffs etc.

How many immigrants does China, Japan, Korea, India, Pakistan accept each year?

In fact I was taking a cab in NYC shortly after 911 and Little Italy was completely empty….and the cabbie a Pakistani Muslim went into his tirade about how its because all the jews went to Israel and they are going to be taken care of in the last day.

As a “GLBT” and Jewish person DD.

Not that I mind your mistake at all but just to clear up any misunderstandings about who I am… both are wrong.

No one has the right of migration. Thats like me saying I have the right to come into your house invited or not.

Actually, it’s not the same and people DO have the right of migration. It is written in international and European law.

Nobody here has ever pushed for illegal immigration. What most people here are asking for is a decent, dignified and humane way to deal with the reality of the situation. Illegal immigration is happening on a massive scale for a variety of reasons. War, genocide, famine, economic crisis etc etc. We must deal with the underlying problems of course but persecuting and mistreating those who immigrate (illegally or not) is disgusting.

I think your figures are a little (!) exaggerated.

Also, just to clarify again because you clearly have not read my comment policy. If you post a comment for the first time to this blog, it is ALWAYS held in moderation. There is no conspiracy against you ! I suggest you go and read it now so that you know where I stand on this. It’s at the top of the page.

While racism ( meaning hatred of people simply because they are another race is not right )..It is not racism to oppose mass immigration illegal or legal since the reality is that different cultures clash when they come in to contact. Successful immigration is dependent on numbers (low ones) that allow the newcomer to assimilate. it is ridiculous and suicidal for Greece to accept so many immigrants in the course of about 15 years Greece went from a relatively homogenous nation to a nation with over 2,000,000 illegal and legal immigrants…thats 20%…compounded by the fact that Greeks are not even accomplishing replacement rate fertility this is a demographic disaster for Greece.

No one has the right of migration. Thats like me saying I have the right to come into your house invited or not.

I realize many of these people are coming out of desperation (economic)…and while I can see where some immigration is okay…this is too much now.

Sorry if it makes me a racist to not want my people to die out…..i.e., population drop due to low fertility..is not a problem in it self if the domain of the culture and people is secure.

Only Western countries are asked to become multicultural multireligious multi this or that…Why is it okay to you that Europeans and Greeks in specific should not react to their disposition…I am not saying I agree with the tone of the flier with the colored this or that but this is an expression of frustration at the problems that have been generated by this mass migration.

This “racist” flier is the backlash (very minor) to a suicidal immigration policy…this is not the immigrants fault but the governments and the businesses that crave cheap labor…to undermine workers wages.

Also, many of these immigrant populations come from nations that are not exactly known for their liberal attitudes towards Gays Lesbians Transsexuals, Jews, Modern Woman etc.

I oppose any violence towards immigrants but they do not have a right to be here if they broke the law to come in.

Most Greeks are unhappy with this mass immigration this does not make them racist. Polemicists use that term to attack any opposition to the nation destroying Globalist agenda.

And if you do not post my comment it means you know it makes sense but your modus operandi is to censor opposition and/or use epithets against those you disagree with.

Have a nice day.

Is the only way to be “good” is to say hey we are a country of 10,000,000 people lets have 20 million more come live here from diverse religions and races? I think not.

Most countries most people are most comfortable amongst their own people who share similar culture and heritage.

Diversity to some extent existed before the great migration that has transformed Greece and Europe…but not to this extent.

Its not healthy, if you care about workers rights and the poor you would be AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION..that undermines wages and

IF YOU ARE for saving the planet environmentally you would be against MASS MIGRATION…European societies have below replacement birth rates…why should they be PUNISHED with the excesses and corruption of other civilizations that do not practice family planning…and thus adding more people on a crowded planet.

As a “GLBT” and Jewish person DD, you should be against Mass Migration….
Some anti-semitic incidents that took place in Greece were the work of Muslim Palestinans, and Islamic cultures are not very tolerant of GLBT and Jews at least not nowadays.

If I misunderstood and you are not GLBT or Jewish please excuse the misunderstanding. I may have misunderstood your posts.

As a Jewish person, How do you feel about the state of Israel’s desire to keep Israel mostly Jewish…personally thats a SANE and reasonable position as long as its done humanely…compensation to the Palestinians and stop expanding territory in w Bank because you are adopting more non-jews into Israel by doing that.

I feel the same way about Greece, Greeks have experienced ethnic cleansing from Asia Minor and Northern Cyprus and I would like to see Greece stay majority Greek. I do not mind legitimate asylum seekers on humanitarian grounds, and within reasonable numbers AND If a non-Greek really loves Greece and Greeks and can assimilate then thats fine to in SMALL NUMBERS. 2,000,000 is 20% of the Greek population thats too much…especially Albanians considering how their country treats their Greek Minority.

As a women, do you realize that many of these migrants come from societies that not only are not tolerant of Jews, GLBT but of the Western idea of Woman…even to the point of looking upon western women as whores to be raped….Sweden has an epidemic of Arab youth gang raping white women…and not to mention the clitorectomies..

Even cultures that are closely compatible fight with each other.
So why should any country have mass immigration?

Note I am not against legit Asylum seekers in reasonable numbers in a comfrotable ratio to the main ethnic population nor am I against some economic migration but this too much…So when native Greeks here cries of racism from a non-Greek guest in our country..it makes one kind of livid…its like you want us TO DIE!!!!!…and have no space where our culture and people can exist as a majority…

I am not against existing (pre-existing) minorities, Greek “Pomak/Turk” Muslims and Greek Jews, but sorry we had not colonies in Africa or Asia to feel guilty about my dear. You Brits can turn your country over to whomever you want for your guilt about colonialsim thats your stupidity.

Some level of Diversity can be enlivining but this has reached the point of a demographic disaster for Greece. Its not hate for others but love for my own that motivates what I say here. Having said all this I am against violence and violent methods of dealing with this issue. There are humane ways to deal with this problem …demanding the sending countries act more humanely to their population so they don’t flee it.

Point out one country with diversity without inter-ethnic conflicts.
Its ideal to have the nations be homogenous as possible in culture ethnicity etc. to prevent in house fighting..and this way everybody has a house to call their own…i.e, Jews feel Israel is a safe place to run to incase of problems elsewhere. Greeks and in fact all other tribes deserve a slice of real estate on this earth that is primarily their home with some minor allowances.

I just wanted to express my opinion that, in my experience as a Brit who has lived abroad, the English in general are by far the most racist and xenophobic people i’ve ever seen.
We are so xenophobic as a nation that when we move to another country, the majority of us live in gated communities, refuse to integrate with the locals, refuse to learn their language, refuse to eat the ‘foreign muck’ and believe that the locals are ‘foreigners’ even though we’re immigrants to their country.

i do, however, suspect that areas of the world that have greater financial struggles exhibit higher levels of expressed racism while others are more peaceful because its people have fewer perceived differences of interests. additionally, it is my personal observation that the groups that are most similar develop the greatest animosity towards each other.

we see it all the time: one continent against another, neighboring countries clash, residents of one city criticize another, neighboring villages, neighborhoods, and finally, neighbors.

it takes a great deal of education and personal (soul?)searching to overcome this tendency we have and to face each other with compassion and respect.

i believe DD is not singling out greece or greeks in particular over other groups of people. she lives here, so here is what she blogs about. she calls it like she sees it. she is simply helping us to see expressions of racism in this little bit of the world and to not be complacent of attacks or the trampling of rights of our fellow human beings.

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I’ve lived in England, Italy and the Algarve, Portugal. In my opinion, the English are the most racist people in the world.

Even those who say they aren’t racist, if you gave them a truth serum, you’d be utterly shocked and appalled to hear what comes out of their mouth. Millions of Brits despise foreigners in general. Not to mention British institutions which have been proved to be racist.

There is no doubt in my mind that the English are the most homophobic (and islamophobic) people in the world, in my opinion, from my experience.

Perhaps it might be better to address the widespread and inherent racism problem in England, before we move to other countries and start pointing fingers.