No Racism in Greece
Published by deviousdiva October 1st, 2008 in Personal.No. There is no racism in Greece and those of us who see it, hear it or read it are paranoid or worse. We are deliberately trying to make Greece look bad to the rest of the world.
So what’s this then ? Oh, a racist leaflet doing the rounds in Patras ?
Translation of part of it (Thank you, Teacher Dude, for wading through some of this despicable “writing”)
Foreigners out of our homeland
The immediate expulsion of the coloured plague from Patra
Fellow citizens of Patra,
You know that those in power have turned our city into a third world ghetto full of Afghans, Somalis and other foreign intruders and all that this entails (explosion in crime, dangers from disease, drug peddling, undermining of the city and the threat to public safety). The puppets in government are being paid billions to pile up this coloured leprosy here.
You know that while factories are closing and unemployment rising uncontrollably those in government, enslaved to their foreign masters, are spending millions to fund the creation of “reception centres” for illegal immigrants throughout Greece as if we were obliged to accept them and put up with their indecency.
You know that behind the (word unclear) foreigner’s slave trading lies an organised plan to undermine the customs and traditions of our place and the demographic watering down of our people as part of a zionist new world order directed by the the jew, Daniel Esdra’s International Organisation for Immigration.
No. There’s no racism in Greece.
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the unclear word is ‘εκμετάλλευση’ with a slash …. therefore the phrase should read ‘behind the exploitation / slave trading of foreigners lies an organized plan’ … etc etc.
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The IOM is the International Organization for Migration (not immigration). Its Director for the Greek office is a Greek citizen, Daniel Esdras.
Oh dear merciful GOD!
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You do not understand it because you’re too foreigner - this is a plot to discredit Greece while at the same time pollute it with these chlorine-bleached
pamphlets which shall clog the drains causing massive floods next time it rains aimed at destroying the homes of hard working greek patriots who shall surely will become easy pray to communist propaganda and thus transforming Greece into a socialist melting pot where Greeks shall work in the mines and suffer jus primae noctis by savage black tribes from Darfur.
Long live the Zionist Occupied Government.
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so what? this is an anonymous pamphlet!
here is an eponymous “pamphlet”
http://www.aspropyrgos.gr/Pres.....n?newID=26
can you have this translated by some volunteers so that we send it around to those from the UN and the Council of Europe who have just visited the Aspropyrgos Roma (including the Mayor)?
Wow. That about covers every paranoid racist fantasy, doesn’t it.
Oh, wait. They forgot gay people’s role in the destruction of Greek culture.
Interesting it still all comes down to Jewish plots in Greece. And people didn’t believe me when I told them my research into the Salonica Shoah yielded person after person - some of them children - telling me about the Zionist plots to run the world via banking, the gold in the foundations of houses Jews used to live in, and the rest of the Medieval anti-Semitism alive and well?
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THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE IN EDUCATING , INFORMING
AND A
DIFFERENCE IN PUMPING UP THE SWELLING FEAR
WHICH IS ABUNDANT. and is not racism.!
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(sick)GARBAGE AS THE ABOVE PICTURE DOES NOT BECOME THIS BLOG.
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even if the basic stuff is true. incompetent goverment etc.etc.
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PODIUMS should not BE GIVEN.to those who represent RACISM
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the internet at this time is being read
by many young (greeks included)
with a tendency
not to have taken a stance yet ,,
new generations who read and write english,
who with much diffuculty
can explain their basic fears
but can quickly be misled by simpleton solutions
such as racists produce answers today .
I totally disagree, Zardoz (very unusual). I think it’s important for people to see this garbage. I am constantly being accused of making things up and exaggerating the racism in this country. And here is some proof. I’ve received several other comments “pointing out, to put it politely, that I’m a Jew and a “homo” (deleted of course) from people using Greek names so I assume they are Greek. The point is that racism is rampant here and I am angry about the denial of it.
I understand what you are saying though.
What do others think ?
Should I have posted this or not ?
btw. Does anyone have time to translate the article that Panayote Dimitras pointed to ?
http://www.aspropyrgos.gr/Pres…..n?newID=26
Contact me by email or post here if you can help out.
I totally agree with you Diva, this rubbish should be constantly exposed for what it is. You have my full support in everything that you do here, because I know just how difficult it is to deal with the idiots who promulgate such unmitigated crap.
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I agree that it is interesting to see the style of nationalism/racism that can be found. However, I do have reservations about interpreting it. These are the folllowing:
(1) Every country has nationalists and racists, and every country that I know has leaflets like this being distributed. The question is: how many of them, and how does the population react to these.
(2) Although we can detect some common patterns of nationalist ideology from various blogs and such leaflets, they really are quite different in mentality. Although I am very critical of common Greek positions on these issues, I think the underlying motivations are not so racist and are more to do with a Greek sense of vulnerability.
(3) The real problems of racism that most people face in Greece are not well related to this leaflet. We can talk about being excluded from jobs, being denied legal status through the residence permit nonsenses, being denied asylum process, the lack of rights of Roma, etc. I am not sure that this leaflet does much to illustrate the realities of racism in Greece, as it is too extreme and atypical.
Given all these caveats, I do agree though that it is useful to see one or two of such racist leaflets, and important to denounce them.
of course I agree it should be exposed just as the urination on the Holocaust memorial in Rhodes was etc etc
as long as these things happen AND are not strongly condemned by those who can show that they are marginal phenomena, they remain indicative of tolerance of intolerance in Greece
Racist is a label, like many other labels someone can put to a person. On it’s own it can tell very few things about an individual, a human is way too complicated to be described by a single word. Personally i know people that according to general feel could be described as racists, that beside that, are wonderful persons and would never even lift a finger towards noone.
There is no need to make those people appear as demons, incarnation of all evil or whatever. Some of them are like that because they don’t know much, others because they feel in a way threatened, which is indeed justified in certain occasions.
Why do i say that? Because in a sense when you present racists as the source of all evil, then you become a racist yourself (a racist… against racists!!!). You do exactly what a racist do, you put them a tag, a label, which is usually just a single word and from that you judge a whole personality, disregarding what else those people can be, to you they are just that, “racists”, and they should extinct. In the end you become the different side of the same coin, and nothing better than that, which is indeed ironic.
This leaflet is only a failed attemp to persuade Greek people think that the immigrants are the scapegoat - the only one that is responsible for their poverty.
The real and only responsible for the poverty in Hellas is the government who does not clamp down the uninsured employment of the immigrants, since the immigrants can’t protest (many of them don’t even have passports so if they make any trouble they will be expelled). This is very usefull for the industrialists because they grow their profits in imposition to the quality of life of their employees .
Of course the percentage of the Greek people believing all this nonsense is about 10% or less.
Please don’t mix up people that are racists with people that have nothing to separate from the immigrants.
Thank you !
To the one that calls herself a Diva:
“This is not my country”
Which country are you referring to? Greece?
If it isn’t, then which is your country?
What do you exactly mean by that statement?
Is it an inner desire that you have that makes you want to pretend to be some kind of hero that stands against “evil”?
I do have that desire too, but I choose my targets much carefully.
Have you seen what other outer forces are doing to the Greek people?
What is your stand on that?
I don’t know what kind of work you do in Greece, but you don’t seem very poor to me. After all, you have all this time free to keep this blog running.
Have you realised that almost half of the Greek population can barely live with the little wages and pensions that they’re earning and receiving?
You don’t think that these people have been deceived?
What do say about that?
Do you have any empathy for the suffering Greek people?
@ linktothepast,
that’s a huge leap from calling people out on their racism and wanting them extinct. Yes, I wish people were not racist but the fact is that some people are. And I have the right to point that out and state that I am not happy about it. Calling me a racist because I point out racism is nonsensical.
@stardust30,
thanks for your comment and welcome.
I certainly do not confuse people who hold the beliefs expressed in the leaflet above with the whole population. That would be wrong and extremely unfair. My job here is to point out that racism is here. It exists in this country and I believe it is crucial to address that.
One of my major problems all along has been the denial that Greece has any problem with racism.
@John H
I think I’ve explained this several times on this blog but maybe you missed those posts. The title of this blog came from a song. Some people have not been able to get past the title and I do understand but it is just the title. I think it means different things to different people. I was born in England but Greece is my home for the time being. No-one knows where they will find themselves in the future. At times, the title can refer to the country you were born in. You know how it is when you just can’t believe that certain things can happen in your own country ?
No I have no desire to be a hero. I’m just writing about things I care about.
What outer forces are you talking about ? Can you be more specific ?
I don’t see what relevance my financial status has to do with this blog. Yes, I have a computer and I choose to spend my free time to run this blog. I am very aware of that I am extremely lucky to be being able to do that.
Yes. I live here and I see what is going on around me. I have written many times about issues that affect Greek people (with the focus on human rights). I cover gay rights, disability rights, education, mental health, religious freedom, environment etc etc. These are all issues affecting Greek people.
Yes, I think Greek people are being lied to, cheated, ripped-off and deceived. And there are blogs that cover those issues very well. It is outside the scope of my blog to deal with those subjects on a regular basis.
Yes. I wish I could do more. I always wish I could do more. But I think that we all try in our own small ways to do what we can.
I used a strong word there and you took it to act in a personal level. What i mean is that you would be happy if racists didn’t existed at all, and not that you wish for their extermination, and you will go out hunting them. As you said ” Yes, I wish people were not racists”. And above is the problem, you don’t try to accept them for who they are and be tolerant to their views, you have your views, they have their views, but you both wish for each other to not have existed in the first place in a sense. Of course it is a huge step going from i don’t like your views, to i will hunt you down, but guess what, same thing applies to the racists. Someone fanatical with human rights like some fanatic racists, will probably make that step nevertheless. For example, isn’t the human rights watch in Greece in a way hunting down racists through legal means for their views? And in response isn’t racist groups hunting out the human right watch for their views? See what i mean that you are both racists in a sense, just in the different side of the coin and it is not really that nonsensical?
Some views are just not acceptable, and we have to state that clearly. Your idea of tolerance of anything, linktothepast, promotes anarchy and a lack of morality.
The “anything goes” mentality is very popular in some countries, including Greece, and is a serious problem for law-abiding members of those societies. In fact, this sort of anarchy is likely to promote the re-emergence of fascism and dictatorial regimes: it is both foolish and dangerous.
Well Xenos, lets just say that i am probably a liberal in my views and my guess is that you are a conservative? No offense but i don’t remember fascism and dictatorial regimes come from the liberal side. I am liberal and i am not afraid of something like that happening, you are conservatives and you are afraid of who exactly can you tell me? The liberals turning into fascists?
Your guess is wrong, and I believe that we should all fear the possible re-emergence of any form of authoritarian government. (FYI, I would self-identify as Left-liberal)
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As reported in the popular Greek magazine, Oikonomikos Tachydromos on 14 Aug. l997, Henry Kissinger, while addressing a group of Washington, D.C. businessmen in Sept.1974, said:
The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.
Have you noticed any of this stuff coming through these days? What do you have to say about this?
Yes it does!! Half of the population can barely make it and they’re suffering. Rather than feeling lucky that you’re in a better position than them and talk about this major issue, poverty, you spend your time attacking them in that indirect way that you do. There are important issues to address which I believe that you deliberately choose not to talk about. How does it feel to be walking the streets of Athens everyday, looking at these people in the eye and know that you go later on on your computer and betray them like that?
Oh I see, it’s a song title that you’re not very sure what it can possibly mean. Well since it is some form of a title for your blog that should also define it, please be precise about it and state here what country you are referring to. Do you mean by it Greece or your home-country?
This blog could not possibly exist for a couple of days if you were living in the US or the UK or any other of these western culturally countries. That is because people there enjoy being racists and words like nigger and others referring to people, except those in power of course, are commonly used and said in the rate we say Hello and Good morning in Greece.
Greek people would support your blog if you were sincere and honest about it. What you do is to consistently choose certain issues that portray Greeks as racists, ignorant and in the end as bad people.
What also makes me feel bad is to see a black woman doing all this.
How does it feel to know that you’re English because English people went to Africa, captured and killed your people there, and then spread them to be slaves around the world?
I am sorry then Xenos, your views somehow made me believe you are a conservative… Anyway, i rest my case for now ;-).
dear diva i punched submit by accident and wasnt finished
any chance of sending it back so i can put my proposals to john h
………love ya anyways zardoz
Hi ZARDOZ, sorry but it seems that your comment never made it to me. I’d love to hear your response if you have time to re-write !
@linktothepast,
No, you are right. I don’t tolerate racist views even from my closest friends and family. I don’t attack them for holding them but I would challenge them. I think your use of the phrase “hunting them down” is a little exaggerated to say the least. I don’t “hunt people down”. I am looking at media articles and other publications (that are in wide circulation) in an effort to bring it to people’s attention that there are problems out there that I feel need looking at and addressing. Very different to “hunting people down” I think.
The human rights watch takes individuals and states to court when they are acting outside the law. For example, the Plevris case. Plevris is free to write whatever drivel he likes but when he incites violence or hatred towards individuals or groups of people, he crosses the line. It is very clear. The racist groups are retaliating. There’s a difference. They usual bring up the freedom of speech issue NOT illegal activities committed by human rights groups. So no. It is not two sides of the same coin.
Perhaps someone who has a better knowledge of the law and specific wordings can tell us if the leaflet above is an incitement to racial hatred (ie is breaking the law). I believe it is and I do not find it acceptable and I refuse to be “tolerant” of such views.
You seem to be hooked on the idea that I see people as a label. That’s just wrong. People are complex. You know that as you have said. Don’t you think that I am smart enough to know that too ?
@John H
You and I are both in a better position than the vast majority of people in the world. Just the fact that I can sit down at my own computer and write this blog is a position of privilege that I acknowledge and feel very lucky/fortunate about.
You are right in that I don’t believe that I have written about the financial situation here in Greece and how poverty affects people here. But that (again) is not the focus of this blog. Unfortunately, I cannot cover everything.
I am not sure what you mean about me betraying people ? In what way am I attacking them ? Please can you point out where ? Talking about human rights issues is not attacking the general population. My anger is towards the failure of governments and authorities in dealing with the issues. I challenge individual views of racism or homophobia or anti-semitism etc but do you seriously consider that betraying the Greek people ? If you do, there’s not much I can do about that. Only question why ?
I am sure about what it means to me personally but that doesn’t mean it means the same to everyone does it ? I owe you no further justification for the title of this blog because believe me, whatever I say will be attacked by someone.
You are absolutely wrong about that. People here also enjoy being racist too (I have the proof) and this blog still exists. It’s called comment moderation.
Don’t take this as bragging, I just want to answer your comment. I have many Greek supporters of this blog. It’s readership is roughly 50/50 Greek and Others. The vast majority of my Greek readers (I would say 95%) are extremely supportive and have shown that through their comments and private emails. They do seem to be able to judge this blog as a source of information and discussion rather than a personal attack on them. I am not sure if you can.
Why does me being a black woman doing this make you feel bad ? There are many forums of minority groups who are pushing for change here. http://uaworg.wordpress.com/
http://kounia.org/
http://www.migrant.gr/cgi-bin/.....ng=english
http://www.migrants.gr/news.as.....mt=Refresh
to name a few. Do they make you feel bad too or is it just me ?
As to the last paragraph about my people and Africa etc, I am at an utter loss as to how to answer you because I am not sure what you are getting at ?
@ John H
http://www.iospress.gr/ios2001/ios20010401b.htm
Normally i wouldn’t comment again, but i don’t like people changing the meaning of what i write as they see fit.
This is the second time you take my words and change them. Read my comment again, i didn’t said anywhere that you (deviousdiva) are hunting people down, quite the opposite.
“What i mean is that you would be happy if racists didn’t existed at all, and not that you wish for their extermination, and you will go out hunting them”
Neither i understand how general comments are touching you (unless if you feel related to them?). The only thing i said is that someone fanatical with human rights might make such a step, and next thing you know, you relate yourself with such a person, as if i was talking about you?
Ahh, anyway, thanks for the hospitality, i think i understood enough to make my own conclusions.
Apologies if I misunderstood. That’s just how I read it. That is a problem with the written word. Let me clarify. I wish racism did not exist. I wish people did not have racist views and opinions. Very different from wishing people out of existence. I would prefer not to meet out and out racists and I hope they never get to have command over us. Again, very different from wishing people out of existence.
I read your comments as very much directed at me. Wrong maybe but when you say “someone fanatical with human rights” in some ways it does mean me. After all, that is why this blog exists.
I am not sure what conclusions you have come to from this relatively short discussion but if you feel the need to sign off there, I understand. I always hold out hope of some real understanding but I know it’s difficult in this format.
I believe in white pride, do you have a problem with that?
Yes I have a problem with white pride. What is it ? I mean seriously. Isn’t it something that we celebrate everyday anyway ? Is it something that we really have to give another thought to, considering that most of the time “white pride” is the default ?
No, what we celebrate every day is liberalism.
Liberalism is just Christianity with references to God removed. Jesus and his disciples have been replaced with minorities, and white people and northeast asians have been substituted for Satan.
Christians and Liberals even share a hatred of evolution. If Christians could just focus their evolution-denying on human evolution they would immediately have widespread leftwing support.
That is the reason for affirmative action, for the race card being played, for people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
By the way, google ‘the zebra killings’.
Could you show me a single example where black standard of living has evolved beyond that of a toilet bowl? I thought not.
Out of our countries if you hate them so much. Simple as that. People have a right to be homogenous.
Why do Han Chinese even hate blacks? I mean. I don’t understand why Nigerians create so many problem for nice Han Chinese people.
@ White World (hilarious name BTW, considering that most of the world is not white). OK. I get it. You’re one of those very ordinary and transparent racists. No need for a reply.
DD: I think you should delete these racist postings.
but, but, but they are so amusing aren’t they ? LOL
I am English, born and raised in Dagenham, Essex.
I’ve lived in England, Italy and the Algarve, Portugal. In my opinion, the English are the most racist people in the world.
Even those who say they aren’t racist, if you gave them a truth serum, you’d be utterly shocked and appalled to hear what comes out of their mouth. Millions of Brits despise foreigners in general. Not to mention British institutions which have been proved to be racist.
There is no doubt in my mind that the English are the most homophobic (and islamophobic) people in the world, in my opinion, from my experience.
Perhaps it might be better to address the widespread and inherent racism problem in England, before we move to other countries and start pointing fingers.
Sorry, i didn’t mean to write homophobic, i meant xenophobic.
When it comes to gay rights, i think Britain does quite well. However, British tolerance for homosexuality is totally overshadowed by the racism and xenophobia pervading society and institutions in the UK.
Unfortunately, racism and intolerance is on the rise throughout Europe, not just in the UK.
http://www.economist.com/opini.....id=1120444
i’m greek-born and a resident of greece, but i, too, have lived extensively abroad — in the united states, canada and china in addition to a great many travels. i believe racism is a part of the human condition and no particular group is more or less inherently racist than another. all humans have an in-group / out-group mentality to some extent.
i do, however, suspect that areas of the world that have greater financial struggles exhibit higher levels of expressed racism while others are more peaceful because its people have fewer perceived differences of interests. additionally, it is my personal observation that the groups that are most similar develop the greatest animosity towards each other.
we see it all the time: one continent against another, neighboring countries clash, residents of one city criticize another, neighboring villages, neighborhoods, and finally, neighbors.
it takes a great deal of education and personal (soul?)searching to overcome this tendency we have and to face each other with compassion and respect.
i believe DD is not singling out greece or greeks in particular over other groups of people. she lives here, so here is what she blogs about. she calls it like she sees it. she is simply helping us to see expressions of racism in this little bit of the world and to not be complacent of attacks or the trampling of rights of our fellow human beings.
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toomanytribbles, i agree with you that racism is prevalent throughout the world - i hope DD doesn’t think i accused her of singling out Greece. I’ve never lived there so i can’t comment on Greek attitudes regarding race.
I just wanted to express my opinion that, in my experience as a Brit who has lived abroad, the English in general are by far the most racist and xenophobic people i’ve ever seen.
We are so xenophobic as a nation that when we move to another country, the majority of us live in gated communities, refuse to integrate with the locals, refuse to learn their language, refuse to eat the ‘foreign muck’ and believe that the locals are ‘foreigners’ even though we’re immigrants to their country.
Is it racist to want to preserve your country?
Is the only way to be “good” is to say hey we are a country of 10,000,000 people lets have 20 million more come live here from diverse religions and races? I think not.
Most countries most people are most comfortable amongst their own people who share similar culture and heritage.
Diversity to some extent existed before the great migration that has transformed Greece and Europe…but not to this extent.
Its not healthy, if you care about workers rights and the poor you would be AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION..that undermines wages and
IF YOU ARE for saving the planet environmentally you would be against MASS MIGRATION…European societies have below replacement birth rates…why should they be PUNISHED with the excesses and corruption of other civilizations that do not practice family planning…and thus adding more people on a crowded planet.
As a “GLBT” and Jewish person DD, you should be against Mass Migration….
Some anti-semitic incidents that took place in Greece were the work of Muslim Palestinans, and Islamic cultures are not very tolerant of GLBT and Jews at least not nowadays.
If I misunderstood and you are not GLBT or Jewish please excuse the misunderstanding. I may have misunderstood your posts.
As a Jewish person, How do you feel about the state of Israel’s desire to keep Israel mostly Jewish…personally thats a SANE and reasonable position as long as its done humanely…compensation to the Palestinians and stop expanding territory in w Bank because you are adopting more non-jews into Israel by doing that.
I feel the same way about Greece, Greeks have experienced ethnic cleansing from Asia Minor and Northern Cyprus and I would like to see Greece stay majority Greek. I do not mind legitimate asylum seekers on humanitarian grounds, and within reasonable numbers AND If a non-Greek really loves Greece and Greeks and can assimilate then thats fine to in SMALL NUMBERS. 2,000,000 is 20% of the Greek population thats too much…especially Albanians considering how their country treats their Greek Minority.
As a women, do you realize that many of these migrants come from societies that not only are not tolerant of Jews, GLBT but of the Western idea of Woman…even to the point of looking upon western women as whores to be raped….Sweden has an epidemic of Arab youth gang raping white women…and not to mention the clitorectomies..
Even cultures that are closely compatible fight with each other.
So why should any country have mass immigration?
Note I am not against legit Asylum seekers in reasonable numbers in a comfrotable ratio to the main ethnic population nor am I against some economic migration but this too much…So when native Greeks here cries of racism from a non-Greek guest in our country..it makes one kind of livid…its like you want us TO DIE!!!!!…and have no space where our culture and people can exist as a majority…
I am not against existing (pre-existing) minorities, Greek “Pomak/Turk” Muslims and Greek Jews, but sorry we had not colonies in Africa or Asia to feel guilty about my dear. You Brits can turn your country over to whomever you want for your guilt about colonialsim thats your stupidity.
Some level of Diversity can be enlivining but this has reached the point of a demographic disaster for Greece. Its not hate for others but love for my own that motivates what I say here. Having said all this I am against violence and violent methods of dealing with this issue. There are humane ways to deal with this problem …demanding the sending countries act more humanely to their population so they don’t flee it.
Point out one country with diversity without inter-ethnic conflicts.
Its ideal to have the nations be homogenous as possible in culture ethnicity etc. to prevent in house fighting..and this way everybody has a house to call their own…i.e, Jews feel Israel is a safe place to run to incase of problems elsewhere. Greeks and in fact all other tribes deserve a slice of real estate on this earth that is primarily their home with some minor allowances.
Perhaps my previous posting was too long or simply not agreeable to the host.
While racism ( meaning hatred of people simply because they are another race is not right )..It is not racism to oppose mass immigration illegal or legal since the reality is that different cultures clash when they come in to contact. Successful immigration is dependent on numbers (low ones) that allow the newcomer to assimilate. it is ridiculous and suicidal for Greece to accept so many immigrants in the course of about 15 years Greece went from a relatively homogenous nation to a nation with over 2,000,000 illegal and legal immigrants…thats 20%…compounded by the fact that Greeks are not even accomplishing replacement rate fertility this is a demographic disaster for Greece.
No one has the right of migration. Thats like me saying I have the right to come into your house invited or not.
I realize many of these people are coming out of desperation (economic)…and while I can see where some immigration is okay…this is too much now.
Sorry if it makes me a racist to not want my people to die out…..i.e., population drop due to low fertility..is not a problem in it self if the domain of the culture and people is secure.
Only Western countries are asked to become multicultural multireligious multi this or that…Why is it okay to you that Europeans and Greeks in specific should not react to their disposition…I am not saying I agree with the tone of the flier with the colored this or that but this is an expression of frustration at the problems that have been generated by this mass migration.
This “racist” flier is the backlash (very minor) to a suicidal immigration policy…this is not the immigrants fault but the governments and the businesses that crave cheap labor…to undermine workers wages.
Also, many of these immigrant populations come from nations that are not exactly known for their liberal attitudes towards Gays Lesbians Transsexuals, Jews, Modern Woman etc.
I oppose any violence towards immigrants but they do not have a right to be here if they broke the law to come in.
Most Greeks are unhappy with this mass immigration this does not make them racist. Polemicists use that term to attack any opposition to the nation destroying Globalist agenda.
And if you do not post my comment it means you know it makes sense but your modus operandi is to censor opposition and/or use epithets against those you disagree with.
Have a nice day.
Not that I mind your mistake at all but just to clear up any misunderstandings about who I am… both are wrong.
Actually, it’s not the same and people DO have the right of migration. It is written in international and European law.
Nobody here has ever pushed for illegal immigration. What most people here are asking for is a decent, dignified and humane way to deal with the reality of the situation. Illegal immigration is happening on a massive scale for a variety of reasons. War, genocide, famine, economic crisis etc etc. We must deal with the underlying problems of course but persecuting and mistreating those who immigrate (illegally or not) is disgusting.
I think your figures are a little (!) exaggerated.
Also, just to clarify again because you clearly have not read my comment policy. If you post a comment for the first time to this blog, it is ALWAYS held in moderation. There is no conspiracy against you ! I suggest you go and read it now so that you know where I stand on this. It’s at the top of the page.
Actually, it’s not the same and people DO have the right of migration. It is written in international and European law…..This does not mean its a just law…..Its fine to have rules about humane treatment of immigrants illegal or legal…but no thrid party should demand another country to accept a no limits policy…thats my point.
What about the fact that this mass immigration pushes down wages?
Really I am not aware of these laws..except perhaps in the case of ASYLUM SEEKERS….and I am sure that there is SOME LIMIT that the receiving nation can impose on immigration if not then that’s an unjust law…..what if 20,000,000 Chinese Catholics want to immigrate seek asylum because of Chinas on child forced abortion policy…to a small country like Greece or even Italy which is bigger in population and size ans resources..according to this law would the receiving nation be OBLIGATED to take in all 20,000,000
I believe in helping people regardless of race, etc. but there are limits.
If my expenses are 1,000 Euros a month and I make 1,025 Euros then I only have 25 Euros to give not 50 100 or 500.
If the ethnic Greek population in Greece is less than 10,000,000 and we have a low replacement rate fertility and have allowed 2,000,000 people to settle here..thats over the top.
WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS REASONABLE LIMITS?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Exaggerated…yes the 20,000,000 was exaggerated to make a point and ask a question…at what point is too much or too ungenerous or since you point to a legal obligation…at one point have we fulfilled our legal obligation…or moral obligation in your eyes….until we are on the brink of being a minority in our own country?????????????????????????????
Currently there are close to 2,000,000 in a population of 10,000,000 and in a few generations the proportion of Greeks to non-Greeks will be close to 2:1. instead of 5:1 as it is now. I think the ratio of Greeks to Non-Greeks below age 18 is something like 4:1. and declining….
Regardless of whether your Jewish or GLBT your site is very sympathetic to both minorities….My point is/question still stands…. are you aware of Muslim attitudes in the Netherlands towards Gays and Jews….despite being in the most liberla nation in Europe and anti-hate speech laws in that country Imams have stated things like that they should be thrown off cliffs etc.
How many immigrants does China, Japan, Korea, India, Pakistan accept each year?
In fact I was taking a cab in NYC shortly after 911 and Little Italy was completely empty….and the cabbie a Pakistani Muslim went into his tirade about how its because all the jews went to Israel and they are going to be taken care of in the last day.
If there is a right to migrate its like the right to private property not the right to life. i.e., someone in Pakistan has the right to try to leave Pakistan but that does not mean some other country has the obligation to host them.
If I have the money to buy a house I have the right to purchase a house but it does not obligate someone else to sell their property to me when they do not want to sell there house.
Except in cases of Asylum seekers, and the hosting country has the right to determine if they are true political asylum or refugees…not just economic migrants.
International law grants the right to leave a country, but there is no corresponding right to enter another. Under the Geneva Conventions, people asking for political asylum (originally, before 1967, only citizens of European countries) must be granted legal process for consideration of their application.
Both of these provisions reflect the issues relevant after 1945. Since then, apart from extending the Geneva protection to non-Europeans, governments have done **** all to protect anyone’s rights. In fact, they are mostly responsible for the current problems of mass illegal migration everywhere in the world.