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		<title>By: trornoppy</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-109427</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Balamutikweb</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-107978</link>
		<dc:creator>Balamutikweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Доброго времени суток! Мне вот тут стало интересно, а есть какие-нибудь он-лайн школы, курсы или что-то подобное, где учат на веб-мастеров? Пытаюсь найти, но ничего не нахожу. Очень хочу стать веб-мастером, слышал, что они хорошо получают. И вообще очень интересно, как это так они работают? И есть ли какие-нибудь спецпредметы, или ещё какие-нибудь специальные дисциплины, которые веб-мастерам знать обязательно? Может кто поможет, если не сложно?
Слышал, что новичков в этой среде не очень любят - и как тогда быть?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Доброго времени суток! Мне вот тут стало интересно, а есть какие-нибудь он-лайн школы, курсы или что-то подобное, где учат на веб-мастеров? Пытаюсь найти, но ничего не нахожу. Очень хочу стать веб-мастером, слышал, что они хорошо получают. И вообще очень интересно, как это так они работают? И есть ли какие-нибудь спецпредметы, или ещё какие-нибудь специальные дисциплины, которые веб-мастерам знать обязательно? Может кто поможет, если не сложно?<br />
Слышал, что новичков в этой среде не очень любят &#8211; и как тогда быть?</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-104635</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Wayne Hall,
Thank you very much for the information. Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Wayne Hall,<br />
Thank you very much for the information. Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Hall</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-104612</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another change of topic.


The seventh anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon will be coming up on 11th September 2008.


The European United for Truth movement will be holding a march in Brussels on Sunday 7th September calling for a reopening of the 911 investigation.


http://www.unitedfortruth.org/


Here is a video of last year&#039;s march:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kfyickjQvuZ1nfl6fi


In Greece there will be a screening on Thursday 11th September of Stelios Kouloglou&#039;s &quot;Reportaz horis Synora&quot; programme on the 911 attacks, the many unanswered questions relating to them and the American citizens&#039; movement that continues to call for a real investigation of them and prosecution of those really responsible.


The programme is in Greek (with a lot of English, admittedly, subtitled in Greek. 


The screening will be on the island of Aigina, in Aigina town, at 9 o&#039;clock in the evening. The venue is the Symposio restaurant, P. Ireioti and Neoptolemou. Telephone 22970 23818.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another change of topic.</p>
<p>The seventh anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon will be coming up on 11th September 2008.</p>
<p>The European United for Truth movement will be holding a march in Brussels on Sunday 7th September calling for a reopening of the 911 investigation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unitedfortruth.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.unitedfortruth.org/</a></p>
<p>Here is a video of last year&#8217;s march:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kfyickjQvuZ1nfl6fi" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/vid.....vuZ1nfl6fi</a></p>
<p>In Greece there will be a screening on Thursday 11th September of Stelios Kouloglou&#8217;s &#8220;Reportaz horis Synora&#8221; programme on the 911 attacks, the many unanswered questions relating to them and the American citizens&#8217; movement that continues to call for a real investigation of them and prosecution of those really responsible.</p>
<p>The programme is in Greek (with a lot of English, admittedly, subtitled in Greek. </p>
<p>The screening will be on the island of Aigina, in Aigina town, at 9 o&#8217;clock in the evening. The venue is the Symposio restaurant, P. Ireioti and Neoptolemou. Telephone 22970 23818.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-104063</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Olympics. I&#039;m just waiting for the Greeks to start blaming the USA again for their failures at the Olympics due to their athletes getting busted for drugs.  Of course, the USA somehow pressured the IOC to get Greece.  It&#039;s like that little &quot;unknown&quot; desk at the US State Dept which sits one man whose sole job is to create ways to mess up Greece&#039;s day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Olympics. I&#8217;m just waiting for the Greeks to start blaming the USA again for their failures at the Olympics due to their athletes getting busted for drugs.  Of course, the USA somehow pressured the IOC to get Greece.  It&#8217;s like that little &#8220;unknown&#8221; desk at the US State Dept which sits one man whose sole job is to create ways to mess up Greece&#8217;s day.</p>
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103954</link>
		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well to be sincere, Georgia moved in first for similar reasons.

This indeed is awful.

Now on the politics vs Games issue. It WAS wrong to give it to China. Leaders did NOT do enough but did do SOMETHING as some Chinese human rights activists will say. And the opportunities given highlighted issues like Tibet that were forgotten. 

The main problem with the Games is drugs of course - as well as the anti-Hellenic conspiracy to show that numerous Greek athletes took that drug the weightlifters did; the consipracy includes the opposition to the participation of innocent bird Thanou to the games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well to be sincere, Georgia moved in first for similar reasons.</p>
<p>This indeed is awful.</p>
<p>Now on the politics vs Games issue. It WAS wrong to give it to China. Leaders did NOT do enough but did do SOMETHING as some Chinese human rights activists will say. And the opportunities given highlighted issues like Tibet that were forgotten. </p>
<p>The main problem with the Games is drugs of course &#8211; as well as the anti-Hellenic conspiracy to show that numerous Greek athletes took that drug the weightlifters did; the consipracy includes the opposition to the participation of innocent bird Thanou to the games.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103953</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw that just now on CNN, Xenos. This must have been a deliberate ploy (while the world is watching the Olympics, we&#039;ll invade). Whatever happened to the Olympic Truce (lol)? World gone stupid... AGAIN. 

Leaving for the beach right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw that just now on CNN, Xenos. This must have been a deliberate ploy (while the world is watching the Olympics, we&#8217;ll invade). Whatever happened to the Olympic Truce (lol)? World gone stupid&#8230; AGAIN. </p>
<p>Leaving for the beach right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103952</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think I agree with QuakerDave. Handing the Olympics to China was an opportunity to pressure for reform and acceptance of some degree of individual rights. Instead, Bush and cronies confined themselves to one pathetic little speech a few days ago (just to cover their asses and show the world that they don&#039;t really approve of China). What was needed was a sustained programme of pressure on China over the last years: far from doing so, Western governments aided and abetted China in suppressing protests such as the pro-Tibet demonstrators.

To those who complain that sports should be separate from politics: I agree. But handing the Olympics to certain countries (such as China) reinforces the link, rather than weakening it. The greed of the IOC for more success, more money, more publicity, has politicised the Games. By the way, did anyobody comment that Georgia and Russia (both competing) are now (effectively) at war on the opening day of the Games?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think I agree with QuakerDave. Handing the Olympics to China was an opportunity to pressure for reform and acceptance of some degree of individual rights. Instead, Bush and cronies confined themselves to one pathetic little speech a few days ago (just to cover their asses and show the world that they don&#8217;t really approve of China). What was needed was a sustained programme of pressure on China over the last years: far from doing so, Western governments aided and abetted China in suppressing protests such as the pro-Tibet demonstrators.</p>
<p>To those who complain that sports should be separate from politics: I agree. But handing the Olympics to certain countries (such as China) reinforces the link, rather than weakening it. The greed of the IOC for more success, more money, more publicity, has politicised the Games. By the way, did anyobody comment that Georgia and Russia (both competing) are now (effectively) at war on the opening day of the Games?</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103951</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see you here again, QuakerDave. 

It&#039;s a horrible dilemma for me. Politically everything in me screams &quot;boycott the whole thing&quot;. But the rest of me loves the sports. 

It&#039;s utterly disgusting the amount of money that is spent on sports in general and the Olympics is the &quot;icing on the cake&quot;. (we are still paying for 2004 I think) There is SO much strife and need in the world that that kind of money could really change. 

I do find the &quot;coming together&quot; ideal of the games very moving but the flag waving turns me off too. 

The world has ignored Darfur almost completely. Perhaps it&#039;s only the games that can bring a spotlight to the genocide ? Sad but this is the way we seem to operate.

Ach ! I&#039;m so confused...

deviousdivas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/08/the-sea-calls/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Sea Calls&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see you here again, QuakerDave. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a horrible dilemma for me. Politically everything in me screams &#8220;boycott the whole thing&#8221;. But the rest of me loves the sports. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s utterly disgusting the amount of money that is spent on sports in general and the Olympics is the &#8220;icing on the cake&#8221;. (we are still paying for 2004 I think) There is SO much strife and need in the world that that kind of money could really change. </p>
<p>I do find the &#8220;coming together&#8221; ideal of the games very moving but the flag waving turns me off too. </p>
<p>The world has ignored Darfur almost completely. Perhaps it&#8217;s only the games that can bring a spotlight to the genocide ? Sad but this is the way we seem to operate.</p>
<p>Ach ! I&#8217;m so confused&#8230;</p>
<p>deviousdivas last blog post..<a href="http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/08/the-sea-calls/" rel="nofollow">The Sea Calls</a></p>
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		<title>By: QuakerDave</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103948</link>
		<dc:creator>QuakerDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will NOT be watching the opening ceremonies tonight, and I will not be watching any of the Genocide Olympics.  $40 billion  is being spent to sell the world the idea that one of the most brutal dictatorships on the planet is somehow an &quot;open&quot; society.

Of course, we here in the States have the same image problem.  But we don&#039;t have the Games.

Time for rented movies and some good books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will NOT be watching the opening ceremonies tonight, and I will not be watching any of the Genocide Olympics.  $40 billion  is being spent to sell the world the idea that one of the most brutal dictatorships on the planet is somehow an &#8220;open&#8221; society.</p>
<p>Of course, we here in the States have the same image problem.  But we don&#8217;t have the Games.</p>
<p>Time for rented movies and some good books.</p>
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103937</link>
		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree on the ceremony

It was in many ways -the globe, the lighting of the flame, the &quot;painting&quot; etc.- unforgettable.

Yet while Athens celebrated mainly the individual, Beijing celebrate the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree on the ceremony</p>
<p>It was in many ways -the globe, the lighting of the flame, the &#8220;painting&#8221; etc.- unforgettable.</p>
<p>Yet while Athens celebrated mainly the individual, Beijing celebrate the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103936</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[I&#039;m ignoring the outburst above from Oath Taken except for removing personal information which is not allowed on my blog (even if it is inaccurate). I repeat... no personal information is allowed on this blog. I would never dream of publishing or handing out your personal email address, your name or ANY other information you might have given me. Please do not do it to other people. I just can&#039;t be bothered to actually answer and I think as supposed grown-ups we can decide for ourselves where we stand]&lt;/strong&gt;

As for the Olympics, Bollybutton, I was very disappointed by the opening ceremony. It was &quot;nice&quot; but not at all spectacular like 2004. Nice and excessively slow. Ah well, now the games begin... and that is what it&#039;s all about isn&#039;t it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>[I'm ignoring the outburst above from Oath Taken except for removing personal information which is not allowed on my blog (even if it is inaccurate). I repeat... no personal information is allowed on this blog. I would never dream of publishing or handing out your personal email address, your name or ANY other information you might have given me. Please do not do it to other people. I just can't be bothered to actually answer and I think as supposed grown-ups we can decide for ourselves where we stand]</strong></p>
<p>As for the Olympics, Bollybutton, I was very disappointed by the opening ceremony. It was &#8220;nice&#8221; but not at all spectacular like 2004. Nice and excessively slow. Ah well, now the games begin&#8230; and that is what it&#8217;s all about isn&#8217;t it ?</p>
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		<title>By: bollybutton</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/08/03/open-thread-2/#comment-103935</link>
		<dc:creator>bollybutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a total change of topic, I&#039;m waiting to see the Beijing 2008 opening ceremony though I am totally biased and think Athens 2004 will be better.

bollybuttons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bigfatgreeksummer.blogspot.com/2008/08/fist-full-of-memories.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fist Full of Memories&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a total change of topic, I&#8217;m waiting to see the Beijing 2008 opening ceremony though I am totally biased and think Athens 2004 will be better.</p>
<p>bollybuttons last blog post..<a href="http://bigfatgreeksummer.blogspot.com/2008/08/fist-full-of-memories.html" rel="nofollow">Fist Full of Memories</a></p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Panayote, for (as always) bringing some much-needed decency into Greek debate. 

Adonis: I am not interested in your opinions on the work of people more able than you. Unlike you, I am also not interested to have the last word. However, I do insist that you respect the rules of this blog yet you persist in flouting them as if they are not relevant. You have already been told that personal attacks are not acceptable; that principle is in the blog rules and is also a standard of behaviour that the civilised world embraces.

That you, like so many Greek people, find it normal and acceptable to engage in direct personal attacks, adorned with frequent nasty little remarks, says something about the culture of the country. I have no further comment to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Panayote, for (as always) bringing some much-needed decency into Greek debate. </p>
<p>Adonis: I am not interested in your opinions on the work of people more able than you. Unlike you, I am also not interested to have the last word. However, I do insist that you respect the rules of this blog yet you persist in flouting them as if they are not relevant. You have already been told that personal attacks are not acceptable; that principle is in the blog rules and is also a standard of behaviour that the civilised world embraces.</p>
<p>That you, like so many Greek people, find it normal and acceptable to engage in direct personal attacks, adorned with frequent nasty little remarks, says something about the culture of the country. I have no further comment to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xenos

I suggest you start calling Oath Taken Adonis if he keeps calling you Martin :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xenos</p>
<p>I suggest you start calling Oath Taken Adonis if he keeps calling you Martin <img src='http://www.deviousdiva.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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