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	<description>The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63323</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A simpler and cheaper way is to use a public proxy server, as this old Slate article describes: http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or just use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.torproject.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tor&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A simpler and cheaper way is to use a public proxy server, as this old Slate article describes: <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Or just use <a href="http://www.torproject.org/" rel="nofollow">Tor</a></p>
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		<title>By: melusina</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63321</link>
		<dc:creator>melusina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t see how they can *require* you to have your real name visible on the blog.  If you have some sort of contact information, they can just contact you that way, give you an official phone number to call, and deal with it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t see how they can *require* you to have your real name visible on the blog.  If you have some sort of contact information, they can just contact you that way, give you an official phone number to call, and deal with it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Proxy Moxy</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63320</link>
		<dc:creator>Proxy Moxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip: a simpler and cheaper way is to use a public proxy server, as this old Slate article describes: http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip: a simpler and cheaper way is to use a public proxy server, as this old Slate article describes: <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2080681/</a></p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63313</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Philip for your information. It sounds like a total headache to have to take those measures (not to mention the cost) but if things go belly up here, there are options.

I do have a question for people. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.dontkissthefrog.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don&#039;t Kiss the Frog&lt;/a&gt; mentioned the ridiculous ban on video games a few years ago &lt;blockquote&gt;The proposed law reminds me of an older one (also incited by the mainstream media) which forbade video games; I mean all of them. Ridiculous. Nothing but hype. It was approved by the parliament, though. People got their equipment confiscated. Until the hype died away&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I remember when my gamer friends heard about the law, most of them just laughed but some were very worried (some were involved in serious gaming and even in game development). I am sure those caught up in the nonsense took it very seriously and were quite rightly scared to death about being sued. 

But then it did blow over. 
Perhaps this will be the case here ? 
What do people think ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Philip for your information. It sounds like a total headache to have to take those measures (not to mention the cost) but if things go belly up here, there are options.</p>
<p>I do have a question for people. <a href="http://blog.dontkissthefrog.net/" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Kiss the Frog</a> mentioned the ridiculous ban on video games a few years ago<br />
<blockquote>The proposed law reminds me of an older one (also incited by the mainstream media) which forbade video games; I mean all of them. Ridiculous. Nothing but hype. It was approved by the parliament, though. People got their equipment confiscated. Until the hype died away</p></blockquote>
<p>I remember when my gamer friends heard about the law, most of them just laughed but some were very worried (some were involved in serious gaming and even in game development). I am sure those caught up in the nonsense took it very seriously and were quite rightly scared to death about being sued. </p>
<p>But then it did blow over.<br />
Perhaps this will be the case here ?<br />
What do people think ?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63312</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree that slanderous bloggers should be punished, I don&#039;t want to see all bloggers punished or monitored for no reason.

However, it will be difficult to really stop blog owners from being anonymous.  All anyone has to do is set up a blog in the USA and then Greece won&#039;t have jurisdiction, since in the states, we have freedom of speech.  How do you do this?  

METHOD #1: Set up a basic internet (dial up) account with a company such as MSN, Netzero, etc in the USA etc.  Some are as cheap at 9.95 USD per month, and immediately give you access into their network without the typical &quot;Greek company&quot; waiting times.  Plus you can be billed thru your credit card monthly.

Then, what you do is connect to the American company&#039;s internet access number from your computer (in Greece) and then you are connected in the American service provider&#039;s dial up network.  You set up your initial blog, post your blog articles etc., from inside the American service provider&#039;s network, and then you disconnect.  Of course, in addition to the monthly ISP charge, you will be charged long distance phone rates to connect to the USA from your computer in Greece.  But, generally, you would prepare the blog article ahead of time and then just copy and paste the article into your blog to limit the actual connection time.

For example, Diva, if one of your readers (from within Greece) visited your blog (from Greece) using this method, and you tried to track their IP address, you&#039;d see that their IP address originated from within the USA.

METHOD #2:  Have a friend or relative set it up for you in the USA and you email your blog Articles directly to your friend and he posts em for you.

I find it highly unlikely that an American service provider would give the private details of one of it&#039;s customers to Greek authorities strictly on the basis that the blogger was remaining anonymous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree that slanderous bloggers should be punished, I don&#8217;t want to see all bloggers punished or monitored for no reason.</p>
<p>However, it will be difficult to really stop blog owners from being anonymous.  All anyone has to do is set up a blog in the USA and then Greece won&#8217;t have jurisdiction, since in the states, we have freedom of speech.  How do you do this?  </p>
<p>METHOD #1: Set up a basic internet (dial up) account with a company such as MSN, Netzero, etc in the USA etc.  Some are as cheap at 9.95 USD per month, and immediately give you access into their network without the typical &#8220;Greek company&#8221; waiting times.  Plus you can be billed thru your credit card monthly.</p>
<p>Then, what you do is connect to the American company&#8217;s internet access number from your computer (in Greece) and then you are connected in the American service provider&#8217;s dial up network.  You set up your initial blog, post your blog articles etc., from inside the American service provider&#8217;s network, and then you disconnect.  Of course, in addition to the monthly ISP charge, you will be charged long distance phone rates to connect to the USA from your computer in Greece.  But, generally, you would prepare the blog article ahead of time and then just copy and paste the article into your blog to limit the actual connection time.</p>
<p>For example, Diva, if one of your readers (from within Greece) visited your blog (from Greece) using this method, and you tried to track their IP address, you&#8217;d see that their IP address originated from within the USA.</p>
<p>METHOD #2:  Have a friend or relative set it up for you in the USA and you email your blog Articles directly to your friend and he posts em for you.</p>
<p>I find it highly unlikely that an American service provider would give the private details of one of it&#8217;s customers to Greek authorities strictly on the basis that the blogger was remaining anonymous.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63308</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really shocked by some of things I&#039;m reading about anonymity while blogging. Martin&#039;s example from Italy above and a comment over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://dbzer0.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-beginning-of-the-end-or-the-end-of-a-beginning#comment-4723&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;db0&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; mentioning that in Germany &lt;blockquote&gt;Bloggers (with more than only a few readers) posting in germany e.g. &lt;strong&gt;must not be anonymous by law&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had no idea. Am I the only one ?

I wonder what the rules are in other European countries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really shocked by some of things I&#8217;m reading about anonymity while blogging. Martin&#8217;s example from Italy above and a comment over at <a href="http://dbzer0.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-beginning-of-the-end-or-the-end-of-a-beginning#comment-4723" rel="nofollow">db0&#8242;s blog</a> mentioning that in Germany<br />
<blockquote>Bloggers (with more than only a few readers) posting in germany e.g. <strong>must not be anonymous by law</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>I had no idea. Am I the only one ?</p>
<p>I wonder what the rules are in other European countries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: db0</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63306</link>
		<dc:creator>db0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. The problem is not the libelous writings or press-gr which most of the time were obviously false to anyone paying attention. I don&#039;t have a problem with people following the extent of the law and persecuting liars (although I do believe it is unnecessary as when a blog lies too much, people figure it our eventually and leave). 

What I am opposed to is throwing out the baby with the bathwater so to speak. Anonymous blogging is, very often, necessary, as in the case of DD and this is a right that should remain strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. The problem is not the libelous writings or press-gr which most of the time were obviously false to anyone paying attention. I don&#8217;t have a problem with people following the extent of the law and persecuting liars (although I do believe it is unnecessary as when a blog lies too much, people figure it our eventually and leave). </p>
<p>What I am opposed to is throwing out the baby with the bathwater so to speak. Anonymous blogging is, very often, necessary, as in the case of DD and this is a right that should remain strong.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63304</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the blog in question is breaking the law then it is quite correct that they should be taken to court. I only read it when they posted about you Martin, a while back so I can&#039;t speak with any authority on the rest of its content but if that is what it&#039;s like then... it&#039;s appalling.

What scares me is that the proposed anti-anonymous blogging law could have serious implications for all bloggers here in Greece. I choose to blog anonymously because of threats made against me not the other way round. I should have the right to protect myself online if I am doing nothing wrong.

I will be watching closely and will keep you posted on any developments. If anyone is following this in the Greek press, please keep me informed. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the blog in question is breaking the law then it is quite correct that they should be taken to court. I only read it when they posted about you Martin, a while back so I can&#8217;t speak with any authority on the rest of its content but if that is what it&#8217;s like then&#8230; it&#8217;s appalling.</p>
<p>What scares me is that the proposed anti-anonymous blogging law could have serious implications for all bloggers here in Greece. I choose to blog anonymously because of threats made against me not the other way round. I should have the right to protect myself online if I am doing nothing wrong.</p>
<p>I will be watching closely and will keep you posted on any developments. If anyone is following this in the Greek press, please keep me informed. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: brownfemipower</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63301</link>
		<dc:creator>brownfemipower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eek, sorry about the multiple spelling errors up there!!!  that would be does &quot;GREECE&quot; have any bloggers rights groups!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eek, sorry about the multiple spelling errors up there!!!  that would be does &#8220;GREECE&#8221; have any bloggers rights groups!!!</p>
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		<title>By: brownfemipower</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2008/02/26/greek-bloggers-lawsuits-and-the-future/#comment-63300</link>
		<dc:creator>brownfemipower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  that is baloney.  does greek have any blogger&#039;s rights groups at all???  seems like if there isn&#039;t any, now is the time to start getting some--holy crap!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  that is baloney.  does greek have any blogger&#8217;s rights groups at all???  seems like if there isn&#8217;t any, now is the time to start getting some&#8211;holy crap!!!!!</p>
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