Comments on: Brutality against Immigrants Claim

By: deviousdiva

deviousdiva — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:02:06 +0000

Yet again, people seem to be incapable of sticking to the topic and to refrain from attacking each other. It’s a shame because the issue of the post is very important and one that I think this country needs to investigate.

I have closed comments on this thread.

By: Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash

Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:50:26 +0000

Martin states:

Well, idiot with the stupid name, it would be fine by me if Greeks obeyed their own laws! Since you cannot even do that, what difference does it make which laws we are talking about. Again, this is Greek nationalism taking attention away from the real issues.

Are you truly a scholar, Martin? It seems, with your penchant for gross generalizations and ad hominem smears of an entire people located within the boundaries of a specific geographic area, you show yourself quite lacking in scholarship, let alone discriminatory abilities. Do you also generalize when blacks and Jews cross your lips as well, Martin? Or are only Greeks treated to your special brand of pedagogical “scholarship”?

By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards

Martin Baldwin-Edwards — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:07:21 +0000

legein: I suggest you learn how to keep to the point. The topic of this thread is clearly defined at the top, so try to exercise a little self-control and answer my question.

Insfar as your last post is concerned, I am not prepared to discuss propanganda. You have been told this time and again, but you persist with nationalist propaganda. Just stop it.

By: legein

legein — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:43:29 +0000

John, I think you said you had no education. If that is true, you seem to be doing quite well.

Martin, why did you ignore my question? Like the recognition of the Pontic genocide you seem to have trouble coping with the truth when it does not suit Nazi inspired aims.

By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards

Martin Baldwin-Edwards — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:06:38 +0000

JC: thank you for confirming that at least you accept the principles of civilised behaviour. If you look carefully, you will see that a lot of Greeks here think it is OK to abuse or kill migrants. The last poster with the silly name is clearly in that category, as is legein [if, indeed, they are different people].

By: Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash

Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:38:16 +0000

Martin states:

What is at issue here, is that Greeks on the thread openly state whether or not they accept that the criminal behaviour of the Greek borderguard is a valid concern or not. legein has stated clearly that it is of no interest to him. JC has written a long long message saying nothing at all. I have expressed what I think is a universal opinion that killing and torture of illegal migrants is the behaviour of scum.

Interesting. National “laws” and sovereignty are to be ignored and relegated as “unimportant” while Martin’s opinion is elevated to universal acceptance. Has it ever crossed our esteemed cacophonist’s mind that we have not, as of yet, descended into the borderless, One World Government, quagmire he envisions for us “morons”? That some of us actually want mono-ethnic states? That some of us enjoy OUR diversity? We are not proponents of strong armed and goose stepping tactics as Martin’s enlightened ilk are want to do when finally attaining the power they so crave. We are not convinced to buy his snake oil after his propagandized sales pitch. Let me guess, he thinks he knows what best for us and we are too stupid to know any better. Right, Martin?

By: Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash

Cyngin Poppycock-Balderdash — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:26:58 +0000

Renegade states? Hahaha

Now I do have to laugh over that one as the largest and most corrupt “renegade states” is the European Union with its “politburo” firmly entrenched in Brussels. What else would you call a state that has ignored vote after vote by the people it is supposed to answer to? We have people like Martin who are proponents of “legality and laws” however after scraping the surface of his rhetoric, we find he is simply a proponent of the “correct” laws.

By: John Crysanthakopoulos

John Crysanthakopoulos — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:26:32 +0000

George your vision on the functions NGOs is unacceptable from what they supposed to be or what their openly declared aims are but I have regrettably to accept your word as sincere and quite probably factual as well!
I have also to accept your assessment on the weakness of the Greek state as again probably correct too!
Of course if you accept your vision as true then we have in front of us the picture of the true nationalism. Within this image anyone who can accuse Greeks as nationalists must be a true peasant or village idiot.
I for myself not interested in creating a state that will be strong according the lines so brutally honestly you spelled. For me building a small descent and effective state would be a far more honourable aim. We may still bound by human weakness or the weaknesses in power stemming from our small natural size, but I will be more than content with this package compared to the arrogance associated with large strengths and unstoppable powers of those who use any means to justify their ends who use the human suffering as an instrument for pressurizing those dare to disobey!
Still MBE torture and killings is simply unacceptable and utterly unjustifiable either used by the strongest or the weakest alike!

By: George

George — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:54:37 +0000

If NGOs are really part of the US State Dept and are thus improving the state of the United States, as an American, I think that’s great!

I think most Americans would think that anything that makes America stronger (financially or otherwise) is a good thing.

If Greeks are espousing sour grapes because of their weak status in the world, then maybe they should work on their self esteem instead of whining about NGOs and America.

By: John Crysanthakopoulos

John Crysanthakopoulos — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:28:58 +0000

MBE you say I have written a long message saying nothing at all. Let the rest decide on it! But all I have written all are very relevant on what is discussed and I believe true. Many may not like them but what can I do? It is still true!
As for the question I have answered it and I believe in more ways that ONE!
Denial may not be a trait solely to us peasant from the South but the trait of peasants from the North as well!

You cannot be serious posing a question about the unacceptability of killing and torture and assuming that anyone could possibly answer positive! And killing and torture will always be UNACCEPTABLE either we refer to illegal immigrants or the scums of Belmarsh or Guantanamo where all many eminent Governors, contributors and benefactors of some NGOs turn the blind eye and know nothing about!

By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards

Martin Baldwin-Edwards — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:11:23 +0000

This discussion is not about the USA or political sponsoring of any groups, which is not proven in the case of NGOs promoting human rights issues. Most of what has been written here is pure fiction.

So, JC, please stick to the topic. Answer the question.

By: John Crysanthakopoulos

John Crysanthakopoulos — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:09:06 +0000

It is an undeniable truth and proven fact beyond reasonable doubt that many of the western sponsored NGOs are corrupted infiltrated orchestrated driven or financed by US or alike foreign centres. Many of these NGOs service in practice no other purpose other than PROJECTING power by other means and exercise pressure to those locals that are not happy enough or stubbornly disobedient to toe the line! Many of those belonging to these organisations are embedded sleepers or active members of secret services or simply idiots caught in the spider’s nets of those forces.
Is this just the story???? No! Many are no doubt involved in these organisations with sincere intentions driven purely by humanistic ideals! The effectiveness of the covert operation of these Organisations would have been zero have they only involved on subject and areas of no relevance or simply completely made up and fictitious! The potential successes they aspire stem the facts that they exploit REAL issues REAL problems and REAL attitudes! This is something that we GREEKS should NOT look away! It is very much of our interest rather to brush off the issues made on the ground of the real arguments made, to address the problems HEAD on and rather than cry foul TAKE the initiative and prove our good intentions in PRACTICE. Dry the lake where those adverse forces bread and swim, live and grow!
I rather than playing Inspector Clouseau and try to see who is what and when I am only interested on the issues brought and try in a sincere way to express opinions or form ideas on issues. I hope by doing so in the end that those deemed the useful idiots by our foes will become friends of ours! And the gains and dividends that will be reaped this way will be of magnitude larger by those we may hope obtaining if simply focus on the real conspiracy and cry that we are the victims (which I strongly believe WE ARE)!
We Greeks need to be practical and effective If we make the life of fellow human been better using whatever methods and ways our limited capacity and means allow we will do well! Even if devil advocates the same it will still be as GOOD as if God required alike!
We may not able to do everything we may not been able to be perfect all the time. We may do mistakes! But we should put our act together face the underlining issues straight and deploy our resources and ask for help if needed and ask our friends to share the burden with us! And I will say that my experience is that not withstanding the well known sworn adversaries duplicitous associates and opportunists of ours we still have friends! Many friends. We should never forget this. And it is in our hands to make them more! It is in our hands to win the fight for the benefit of dignity and undeniable rights of our country as well as the rights of fellow human beens who trusted their existence and future with us.

By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards

Martin Baldwin-Edwards — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:28:01 +0000

The arrogance and pure drivel that we have to tolerate from you, legein. Just become part of the civilised world for once, if you can. And stop the nasty petty personal remarks, which are typical of peasant culture, as you have been told before.

By: legein

legein — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:59:28 +0000

Martin, you are struggling to cope again. Take a breather little man. Please turn off the tape recorder drivel, stop repeating undergraduate slogans found at second rate universities, and think for yourself.

Have you seen the official tax filings of the Soros Foundation? Should I post them on this site?

By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards

Martin Baldwin-Edwards — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:34:22 +0000

legein: please stop your nationalistic propaganda. First, NGOs in Greece have nothing to do with the USA. It is such a preposterous claim that I can only laugh at it.

Secondly, it is disgusting that Greek people who claim to be civilised think that criminal and violent behaviour against non-Greeks is acceptable. I think that you do not speak for the majority of the Greek population, but for the minority that you do speak for, here is a message. You don’t belong in the western world, you don’t belong amongst decent human beings. Stay in the gutter where vermin belong.

Thirdly, most countries in Europe do respect the rule of law, although try to manipulate at the margins. The problem with Greece is that NOBODY respects any laws, most especially the criminals operating within the state structure. This is at least one definition of a renegade state, and I know personally many Greek who are ashamed of their country for precisely this reason.