Comments on: Activists Attacked by Plevris http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/ The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:00:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dimitras Smells http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-62199 Dimitras Smells Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:56:12 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-62199 <strong>COMMENT EDITED BY DEVIOUS DIVA</strong> Whoever wrote this comment needs to grow up... DD

COMMENT EDITED BY DEVIOUS DIVA

Whoever wrote this comment needs to grow up… DD

]]> By: Nemesis http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-59001 Nemesis Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:41:55 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-59001 "lol"

“lol”

]]> By: Panayote Dimitras http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55607 Panayote Dimitras Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:10:50 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55607 I was just informing those who seemed not to be aware of the law in Greece. Of course the whole issue of implementation of the anti-racist legislation will go/has gone to the ECtHR. As for the harassment matters some require domestic action fisrt, and some are advocacy matters more than litigation issues.

I was just informing those who seemed not to be aware of the law in Greece.

Of course the whole issue of implementation of the anti-racist legislation will go/has gone to the ECtHR.

As for the harassment matters some require domestic action fisrt, and some are advocacy matters more than litigation issues.

]]> By: danilena http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55597 danilena Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:53:47 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55597 panayote, isn't all this ECtHR material ? right to a fair trial etc ? fair trial and non-discrimination immediately come to mind...

panayote, isn’t all this ECtHR material ? right to a fair trial etc ? fair trial and non-discrimination immediately come to mind…

]]> By: Panayote Dimitras http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55299 Panayote Dimitras Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:51:40 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55299 Prosecutors do not launch judicial investigations when criminal complaints are manifestly unfounded: so says the Criminal Procedure Code. Yet they have launched them. Prosecutors when in presence of manifestly criminal actions have to launch ex officio judicial investigations. The criminal complaints against the Jewish religion, the Jewish activists and us include texts and phrases that are manifestly racist -and were part of the book that led to the criminal conviction of Plevris. Yet the prosecutors have not launched ex officio judicial investigations. Likewise, most of what was said in court by the neo-Nazis and their supporters, as well as some prosecutors or judges were overtly racist and prosecutable. Just like the disruption o0f court procedures in the attack against me. Yet there was no ex officio prosecution of these actions that happened during a trial, an aggravating circumstance according to the law. Finally, in civil matters (lawsuits) judges when in presence of manifestly abusive elements (that include in our opinion racist speech of the kind that led to the conviction) should either throw out the lawsuit as abusive or have it corrected before it is taken to court.

Prosecutors do not launch judicial investigations when criminal complaints are manifestly unfounded: so says the Criminal Procedure Code. Yet they have launched them.

Prosecutors when in presence of manifestly criminal actions have to launch ex officio judicial investigations. The criminal complaints against the Jewish religion, the Jewish activists and us include texts and phrases that are manifestly racist -and were part of the book that led to the criminal conviction of Plevris. Yet the prosecutors have not launched ex officio judicial investigations.

Likewise, most of what was said in court by the neo-Nazis and their supporters, as well as some prosecutors or judges were overtly racist and prosecutable. Just like the disruption o0f court procedures in the attack against me. Yet there was no ex officio prosecution of these actions that happened during a trial, an aggravating circumstance according to the law.

Finally, in civil matters (lawsuits) judges when in presence of manifestly abusive elements (that include in our opinion racist speech of the kind that led to the conviction) should either throw out the lawsuit as abusive or have it corrected before it is taken to court.

]]> By: António http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55018 António Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:30:57 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-55018 Danilena, off course the judge can refuse a ill founded lawsuit. I wasn't talking about that, neither DD. We don't know nothing about the foundations of the lawsuit. The only thing we know is that the lawsuits contains certain statements.

Danilena, off course the judge can refuse a ill founded lawsuit. I wasn’t talking about that, neither DD. We don’t know nothing about the foundations of the lawsuit. The only thing we know is that the lawsuits contains certain statements.

]]> By: danilena http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54827 danilena Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:32:55 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54827 I also think that panayote and the other activists knew what they where getting into, and knew that pleuris will be dragging them in the court for ages to come, and still they went ahead and did it. very few people have the courage to put themselves so openly in the line of fire, and they deserve tremendous respect for that.

I also think that panayote and the other activists knew what they where getting into, and knew that pleuris will be dragging them in the court for ages to come, and still they went ahead and did it. very few people have the courage to put themselves so openly in the line of fire, and they deserve tremendous respect for that.

]]> By: danilena http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54811 danilena Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:52:19 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54811 antonio, I'm sure judges can refuse to accept them if they are manifestly ill-founded. a note about the system in greece for those not familiar with it: it is common practice for the courts to accept more or less everything in terms of claims and appeals. that's why pretty much every case ends up in the supreme courts even though it might be of trivial importance, and a minor dispute will take an average of 10 years to come to an end. when a party to one case goes against the witnesses in the case trying to discredit them by claiming purgery, they counterclaim for defamation etc. that is a major reason why one claim gives birth to another 10, and final verdicts take forever. it is the standard tactic almost all lawyers apply in greece. it's not really a choice because if the other party does it then you get dragged into it. as to the content of the lawsuits, I guess the activists can always counterclaim. It's sad, but that's how it works (or rather doesn't)

antonio, I’m sure judges can refuse to accept them if they are manifestly ill-founded.
a note about the system in greece for those not familiar with it:
it is common practice for the courts to accept more or less everything in terms of claims and appeals. that’s why pretty much every case ends up in the supreme courts even though it might be of trivial importance, and a minor dispute will take an average of 10 years to come to an end. when a party to one case goes against the witnesses in the case trying to discredit them by claiming purgery, they counterclaim for defamation etc. that is a major reason why one claim gives birth to another 10, and final verdicts take forever.
it is the standard tactic almost all lawyers apply in greece. it’s not really a choice because if the other party does it then you get dragged into it.
as to the content of the lawsuits, I guess the activists can always counterclaim. It’s sad, but that’s how it works (or rather doesn’t)

]]> By: António http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54791 António Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:25:54 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2008/01/14/activists-attacked-by-plevris/#comment-54791 I don't konw how is it in Greece, but in Portugal, my country (and any civilized country, as a matter of fact) the judges can't refuse to accep and regist lawsuits, based on the political beliefs of persons, or in the statements of the lawsuits. Judges should't have that power. That's a third world thing. How is it in the United States or Britain? Anyway, I hope the good guys win. Racism, anti-semitism and homophobia are not goo things. Let the Justice decide.

I don’t konw how is it in Greece, but in Portugal, my country (and any civilized country, as a matter of fact) the judges can’t refuse to accep and regist lawsuits, based on the political beliefs of persons, or in the statements of the lawsuits. Judges should’t have that power. That’s a third world thing. How is it in the United States or Britain?
Anyway, I hope the good guys win. Racism, anti-semitism and homophobia are not goo things. Let the Justice decide.

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