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		<title>By: Greek American</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-107195</link>
		<dc:creator>Greek American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiousity. What are Greek nationals attitudes torward Greek Americans? I am second generation Greek American have been to Greece a couple of times and was generally well received ( by others who were not my relitives) by Greek nationals in all the parts of Greece I visted  despite the fact I speak broken Greek with an American accent.Although Greeks are not fond of Americans I was still looked upon as a Greek and  the locals got a kick out of how us Greek Americans created words combing Greek with English.What interesting was that ethnic non Greek Greek citizens complained about being treated as outsiders even though they are Greek citizens. So my question is do Greeks judge Greekness by blood or by national passport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiousity. What are Greek nationals attitudes torward Greek Americans? I am second generation Greek American have been to Greece a couple of times and was generally well received ( by others who were not my relitives) by Greek nationals in all the parts of Greece I visted  despite the fact I speak broken Greek with an American accent.Although Greeks are not fond of Americans I was still looked upon as a Greek and  the locals got a kick out of how us Greek Americans created words combing Greek with English.What interesting was that ethnic non Greek Greek citizens complained about being treated as outsiders even though they are Greek citizens. So my question is do Greeks judge Greekness by blood or by national passport?</p>
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		<title>By: against a foreign predator 2007</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-61579</link>
		<dc:creator>against a foreign predator 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;against a foreign predator 2007...&lt;/strong&gt;

oh, good times....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>against a foreign predator 2007&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>oh, good times&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49843</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I closed comments on the other thread:
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I am closing this thread because it is going nowhere.
But I will have the last word.

Personal attacks will be deleted.

Comments that call another person here is stupid, ignorant, filthy or any derogatory adjectives will be deleted.

Make your point, disagree with an opinion, argue about the issues but DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT insult, put-down, threaten or belittle the person who wrote the comment.

I have been subjected to vile insults and threats here and I have NEVER, not even once, retaliated by doing the same. My only weapon is to delete you or edit your comments. You cannot delete or edit me but you do have a weapon that you can use that does not involve abuse. You can walk away and never visit this blog again. And I am absolutely fine with that. No-one is forcing to read my opinions. 
Thank you. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I closed comments on the other thread:</p>
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<p>I am closing this thread because it is going nowhere.<br />
But I will have the last word.</p>
<p>Personal attacks will be deleted.</p>
<p>Comments that call another person here is stupid, ignorant, filthy or any derogatory adjectives will be deleted.</p>
<p>Make your point, disagree with an opinion, argue about the issues but DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT insult, put-down, threaten or belittle the person who wrote the comment.</p>
<p>I have been subjected to vile insults and threats here and I have NEVER, not even once, retaliated by doing the same. My only weapon is to delete you or edit your comments. You cannot delete or edit me but you do have a weapon that you can use that does not involve abuse. You can walk away and never visit this blog again. And I am absolutely fine with that. No-one is forcing to read my opinions.<br />
Thank you. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bollybutton</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49841</link>
		<dc:creator>Bollybutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think very carefully before you get on your high horse. In a few hundred years, it could be that India is the new economic haven and say for example Greeks might want to go to work and live there. Why? To spread Orthodox Christianity? To claim India as East Greece? Or could it be that they would simply want to work somewhere they could make a better living and send money back to their families? 
 
In fact, hundreds of thousands of Greeks have already left Greece to find better lives elsewhere. If you are so anti-immigration, have them all sent back to Greece too, remove ALL the immigrants and then sit back and watch the country fall apart as prices rise and pay plumments (who&#039;s going to do the sh*tty low paid immigrant jobs?) 
 
The only crime of these people was to try and find a better life. They should be beaten to within an inch of their lives? My only crime was to fall in  love with a Greek. aaah but secretly I *must* have come here to spread my filthy religion, right? 
 
Nobody wants to invade Greece, nobody wants to force Greeks to speak Arabic. Stop being so paranoid! Imagine you were the doctor treating these people, how would you have felt as a Greek that these people were beaten up for no other reason than their skin colour? Would have thought it was fine? Or would you have thought it was a black mark on Greece&#039;s face that racism is on the rise? 
 
What is our crime? Can you tell me? Should I be beaten up too because I am the same race and religion as these guys? Would you like to be the one to tell my fiance that I deserved it and shouldn&#039;t have come here anyway? I can guarantee you, you wouldn&#039;t leave that room in one piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think very carefully before you get on your high horse. In a few hundred years, it could be that India is the new economic haven and say for example Greeks might want to go to work and live there. Why? To spread Orthodox Christianity? To claim India as East Greece? Or could it be that they would simply want to work somewhere they could make a better living and send money back to their families? </p>
<p>In fact, hundreds of thousands of Greeks have already left Greece to find better lives elsewhere. If you are so anti-immigration, have them all sent back to Greece too, remove ALL the immigrants and then sit back and watch the country fall apart as prices rise and pay plumments (who&#8217;s going to do the sh*tty low paid immigrant jobs?) </p>
<p>The only crime of these people was to try and find a better life. They should be beaten to within an inch of their lives? My only crime was to fall in  love with a Greek. aaah but secretly I *must* have come here to spread my filthy religion, right? </p>
<p>Nobody wants to invade Greece, nobody wants to force Greeks to speak Arabic. Stop being so paranoid! Imagine you were the doctor treating these people, how would you have felt as a Greek that these people were beaten up for no other reason than their skin colour? Would have thought it was fine? Or would you have thought it was a black mark on Greece&#8217;s face that racism is on the rise? </p>
<p>What is our crime? Can you tell me? Should I be beaten up too because I am the same race and religion as these guys? Would you like to be the one to tell my fiance that I deserved it and shouldn&#8217;t have come here anyway? I can guarantee you, you wouldn&#8217;t leave that room in one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe America</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49823</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predator migration is an accepted scholarly term. It is used to define Hitler&#039;s &quot;Living Spaces&quot; as well as other irredentist motivated migrations of people across borders.

African migrants are NOT predatory migrants.

Islamist predatory migrants are the Albanians, Pakistani&#039;s and others. I will not accept Albanians and other Isalmist&#039;s since most either have ulterior motives or will support those who do.
 
Try reading some scholarly journals on the AKSH (Albanian National Army...and its subsets the UCC/UCK/KLA and Al-Qaida narco/sex-traffiking connection. Connect this with what&#039;s going on in Kosovo...as well as with the declared demands of the UCC ...also note that Kosovo is an inspiration for other Albanian fascist elements in the Balkans. 

You are selective in which fascists you support. You hate the Greek ones, yet apologise for the Albanian/Islamic ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predator migration is an accepted scholarly term. It is used to define Hitler&#8217;s &#8220;Living Spaces&#8221; as well as other irredentist motivated migrations of people across borders.</p>
<p>African migrants are NOT predatory migrants.</p>
<p>Islamist predatory migrants are the Albanians, Pakistani&#8217;s and others. I will not accept Albanians and other Isalmist&#8217;s since most either have ulterior motives or will support those who do.</p>
<p>Try reading some scholarly journals on the AKSH (Albanian National Army&#8230;and its subsets the UCC/UCK/KLA and Al-Qaida narco/sex-traffiking connection. Connect this with what&#8217;s going on in Kosovo&#8230;as well as with the declared demands of the UCC &#8230;also note that Kosovo is an inspiration for other Albanian fascist elements in the Balkans. </p>
<p>You are selective in which fascists you support. You hate the Greek ones, yet apologise for the Albanian/Islamic ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49820</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legein, you are very funny sometimes. M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legein, you are very funny sometimes. M</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49805</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Baldwin-Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe America: try reading some history of modern Greece. You will find that Greece was founded by Albanian-speaking Christians, along with Greeks, and as late as 1870 the Greek government was claiming in international meetings about the future of the Balkans that there was no such thing as an Albanian... Since 1991, the Albanians in Greece came to work here, not to make war.
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Islamic migration into Greece? What are you talking about?
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The phrase &quot;predatory migration&quot; is one that I have never read or heard in my life. I do not know where you conjured this one up from, but I suggest you explain yourself when you present phrases as if they are accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe America: try reading some history of modern Greece. You will find that Greece was founded by Albanian-speaking Christians, along with Greeks, and as late as 1870 the Greek government was claiming in international meetings about the future of the Balkans that there was no such thing as an Albanian&#8230; Since 1991, the Albanians in Greece came to work here, not to make war.<br />
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Islamic migration into Greece? What are you talking about?<br />
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The phrase &#8220;predatory migration&#8221; is one that I have never read or heard in my life. I do not know where you conjured this one up from, but I suggest you explain yourself when you present phrases as if they are accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49804</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why we mix up two separate issues.

1) Immigrants in Greece face racist attacks. We can either recognize this fact (and what is more, try to do something about it) or we can refuse it and try to downplay it using various excuses.

2) Greece has immigration problems. The state should find a solution for these. The attacks won&#039;t solve them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why we mix up two separate issues.</p>
<p>1) Immigrants in Greece face racist attacks. We can either recognize this fact (and what is more, try to do something about it) or we can refuse it and try to downplay it using various excuses.</p>
<p>2) Greece has immigration problems. The state should find a solution for these. The attacks won&#8217;t solve them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe America</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49800</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that you defend the practice of the strategically important phenomenon of predatory migration by Albanians and Islamist&#039;s in Greece.

A predatory migration is when a tribe, a people, or a less formal group swarm into other peoples&#039; lands for the purpose of taking control. Such migration have featured in history. Hitler&#039;s plan for Poland and Russia was to make a predatory migration. Today Albanians seeking a Greater Albania practice the same tactic.

The migrants and their allies, including yourself,  have become skilled at invoking the &quot;appeal to pity&quot;, fallacious logic, and a reliance on exaggerated claims of violations of their human rights and ethnic identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that you defend the practice of the strategically important phenomenon of predatory migration by Albanians and Islamist&#8217;s in Greece.</p>
<p>A predatory migration is when a tribe, a people, or a less formal group swarm into other peoples&#8217; lands for the purpose of taking control. Such migration have featured in history. Hitler&#8217;s plan for Poland and Russia was to make a predatory migration. Today Albanians seeking a Greater Albania practice the same tactic.</p>
<p>The migrants and their allies, including yourself,  have become skilled at invoking the &#8220;appeal to pity&#8221;, fallacious logic, and a reliance on exaggerated claims of violations of their human rights and ethnic identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Baldwin-Edwards</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49783</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Baldwin-Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>appalled, you have already been told that you are not welcome here. Your offensiveness is exceeded only by your stupidity. Keep to your own filthy and degenerate kind, and leave the normal people here in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>appalled, you have already been told that you are not welcome here. Your offensiveness is exceeded only by your stupidity. Keep to your own filthy and degenerate kind, and leave the normal people here in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49778</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now that you&#039;ve put me on my own I&#039;m happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now that you&#8217;ve put me on my own I&#8217;m happy!</p>
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		<title>By: Corbett Canyone</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49770</link>
		<dc:creator>Corbett Canyone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legein, don&#039;t forget about my group.  I&#039;m in the group that think Greeks are just jealous of America because we do what we do because WE CAN, and that Greeks lack the will or intestinal fortitude to take control of their own destiny and would rather blame everything on America.

Basically the USA has influenced Greece over the last 50 years and our Diva Blog group hopes that it continues indefinitely.  If Greek national interest happens to coincide with US interests, than OK.

Well, OK, maybe there&#039;s not a group, it&#039;s probably just a few of us.  ALRIGHT, well, maybe it&#039;s just me.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legein, don&#8217;t forget about my group.  I&#8217;m in the group that think Greeks are just jealous of America because we do what we do because WE CAN, and that Greeks lack the will or intestinal fortitude to take control of their own destiny and would rather blame everything on America.</p>
<p>Basically the USA has influenced Greece over the last 50 years and our Diva Blog group hopes that it continues indefinitely.  If Greek national interest happens to coincide with US interests, than OK.</p>
<p>Well, OK, maybe there&#8217;s not a group, it&#8217;s probably just a few of us.  ALRIGHT, well, maybe it&#8217;s just me.  <img src='http://www.deviousdiva.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: legein</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49759</link>
		<dc:creator>legein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia, there are always exceptions to the rule. There is a smaller group which includes Martin and legein. This group is incredibly intelligent, handsome, sexy, charming and wealthy and does not really need to converse with ordinary people other than to tell them how stupid and inferior they are. 

And then there is the Georgia group. You have one whole group named after you. Georgia, you are unique and special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia, there are always exceptions to the rule. There is a smaller group which includes Martin and legein. This group is incredibly intelligent, handsome, sexy, charming and wealthy and does not really need to converse with ordinary people other than to tell them how stupid and inferior they are. </p>
<p>And then there is the Georgia group. You have one whole group named after you. Georgia, you are unique and special.</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49757</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I don&#039;t fit into either of your groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I don&#8217;t fit into either of your groups.</p>
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		<title>By: legein</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/12/04/racist-attack/#comment-49755</link>
		<dc:creator>legein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone noticed that people on this blog can be divided roughly into two groups? They are the following:

1) &quot;New Left&quot; adherents: they dislike any form of discrimination whether it is against Roma, Chinese, Jews, Pakistanis, homosexuals and so on but except Greeks. Strangely, the working class does not seem to get much consideration - probably because their views are usually socially conservative. These people detest any form of hierarchy whether it is inherited or meritocratic and see man or woman as essentially a &quot;blank slate&quot; socially constructed being - especially when it comes to an ethnic Greek or anyone purporting to be part of a national culture that is not on the favoured list of opressed groups. For example, Roma have distinct traditions inherited from their past. They must be preserved. However, all Greek traditions are simply constructs of usually some dark conspiracy bent on dominating the planet. Therefore, they must be deconstructed and destroyed. These people see the immigrant problem as primarily one of social justice.   

2) Globalists: usually of American origin (but sometimes Australian and Canadian): these people love hierarchy as long its economically determined but detest it if the hierarchy is based on inheritance, culture, social capital etc.  Essentially, man or woman are &quot;homo-economus&quot; economically constructed beings. They do not care whether one is Roma or Greek or Pakistani, as long as they are productive. They do not have an inherent hatred of Greeks in particular. Ultimately, they expect all cultures and national feelings to melt away because it acts as a friction on business. For these people the immigrant problem is one primarily based on economics i.e. immigrants are needed to power the economy. 

Interestingly, both  groups do not have much in common apart from uniting on issues such as immigration but their rationale is based on completely different premises. I am sure very clever people have identified this and many other fissures to play wedge politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone noticed that people on this blog can be divided roughly into two groups? They are the following:</p>
<p>1) &#8220;New Left&#8221; adherents: they dislike any form of discrimination whether it is against Roma, Chinese, Jews, Pakistanis, homosexuals and so on but except Greeks. Strangely, the working class does not seem to get much consideration &#8211; probably because their views are usually socially conservative. These people detest any form of hierarchy whether it is inherited or meritocratic and see man or woman as essentially a &#8220;blank slate&#8221; socially constructed being &#8211; especially when it comes to an ethnic Greek or anyone purporting to be part of a national culture that is not on the favoured list of opressed groups. For example, Roma have distinct traditions inherited from their past. They must be preserved. However, all Greek traditions are simply constructs of usually some dark conspiracy bent on dominating the planet. Therefore, they must be deconstructed and destroyed. These people see the immigrant problem as primarily one of social justice.   </p>
<p>2) Globalists: usually of American origin (but sometimes Australian and Canadian): these people love hierarchy as long its economically determined but detest it if the hierarchy is based on inheritance, culture, social capital etc.  Essentially, man or woman are &#8220;homo-economus&#8221; economically constructed beings. They do not care whether one is Roma or Greek or Pakistani, as long as they are productive. They do not have an inherent hatred of Greeks in particular. Ultimately, they expect all cultures and national feelings to melt away because it acts as a friction on business. For these people the immigrant problem is one primarily based on economics i.e. immigrants are needed to power the economy. </p>
<p>Interestingly, both  groups do not have much in common apart from uniting on issues such as immigration but their rationale is based on completely different premises. I am sure very clever people have identified this and many other fissures to play wedge politics.</p>
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