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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How messed up is this ? My comment goes to moderation and Heph**stos, who is banned, gets through.</description>
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<p>How messed up is this ? My comment goes to moderation and Heph**stos, who is banned, gets through.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19473</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.  Hephaestos, you are one of the banned people here. Yet you continue to post? No discussion occurs here because of your comments. Only bad feeling. I have had a number of emails from people asking me to put an end to your comments, so understand it is not just me. Your attitudes do not create debate or thought and neither do comments from banned? and the rest of your allies.

If I am wrong about this, could you point out where real debate has happened here because of you or people who agree with you. I think you will have problems finding them. I know this blog inside out (obviously) and I found nothing.</description>
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<p>Hmmmm.  Hephaestos, you are one of the banned people here. Yet you continue to post? No discussion occurs here because of your comments. Only bad feeling. I have had a number of emails from people asking me to put an end to your comments, so understand it is not just me. Your attitudes do not create debate or thought and neither do comments from banned? and the rest of your allies.</p>
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<p>If I am wrong about this, could you point out where real debate has happened here because of you or people who agree with you. I think you will have problems finding them. I know this blog inside out (obviously) and I found nothing.
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		<title>By: zardoz</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19469</link>
		<dc:creator>zardoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>putter off ,, bannedphaestos


as for dialogue ,,,here

GET IT THROUGH , YOUR THICK HEAD 

IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE .

THEY ARE HERE  TO STAY . 


wether you like it or not .



ITS YOUR FAULT IF THEY ARE HERE 

AND YOUR POLITICAL LEADERS INITIATIVE

TO BRING THEM FOR CHEAP LABOR SINCE 1969

WHEN THE FIRST PAKISTANIS AND EGYPTIANS 

ARRIVED IN SWARMS ,,,,AS SLAVE LABOR


SO GO BITCH 

SOMEWERE ELSE .


AND JUST IN CASE , YOU DONT KNOW 

THERE ARE THOYSANDS OF GREEK IMMIGRANTS

THE WHOLE WORLD OVER ,,,,THAT ,

WEREVER THEY ARE

THEIR 

THERE TO STAY 

AND THEY HEAR BITCHIN FROM OTHER TRIBES.

AND THEY HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH OTHERS

AND SO DO YOU.

SO GET USED TO IT .



and in any case if living and work conditions
were ok in all countries why in hells name 
would anyone leave their family and home,


.......FIX THAT FIRST AND THEN BITCH  




EX-AMERICAN GREEK SLAVE LABOR 
NOW PLAIN GREEK SLAVE LABOR.</description>
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<p>putter off ,, bannedphaestos</p>
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<p>as for dialogue ,,,here</p>
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<p>GET IT THROUGH , YOUR THICK HEAD </p>
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<p>IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE .</p>
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<p>THEY ARE HERE  TO STAY . </p>
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<p>wether you like it or not .</p>
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<p>ITS YOUR FAULT IF THEY ARE HERE </p>
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<p>AND YOUR POLITICAL LEADERS INITIATIVE</p>
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<p>TO BRING THEM FOR CHEAP LABOR SINCE 1969</p>
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<p>WHEN THE FIRST PAKISTANIS AND EGYPTIANS </p>
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<p>ARRIVED IN SWARMS ,,,,AS SLAVE LABOR</p>
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<p>SO GO BITCH </p>
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<p>SOMEWERE ELSE .</p>
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<p>AND JUST IN CASE , YOU DONT KNOW </p>
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<p>THERE ARE THOYSANDS OF GREEK IMMIGRANTS</p>
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<p>THE WHOLE WORLD OVER ,,,,THAT ,</p>
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<p>WEREVER THEY ARE</p>
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<p>THEIR </p>
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<p>THERE TO STAY </p>
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<p>AND THEY HEAR BITCHIN FROM OTHER TRIBES.</p>
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<p>AND THEY HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH OTHERS</p>
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<p>AND SO DO YOU.</p>
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<p>SO GET USED TO IT .</p>
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<p>and in any case if living and work conditions<br />
were ok in all countries why in hells name<br />
would anyone leave their family and home,</p>
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<p>&#8230;&#8230;.FIX THAT FIRST AND THEN BITCH  </p>
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<p>EX-AMERICAN GREEK SLAVE LABOR<br />
NOW PLAIN GREEK SLAVE LABOR.
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19467</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me.  The final paragraph should read,

Without debate, we’re doomed to follow the strongest voices instead of the wisest ones. It is, however, okay if DD decides that some things will be axiomatic, because some things _must_ be assumed; she is just as qualified to decide what those are as you or I. If you find that these core assumptions are incompatible with yours, you should evaluate whether you, she, and everyone else here will still benefit from your contributions.</description>
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<p>Excuse me.  The final paragraph should read,</p>
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<p>Without debate, we’re doomed to follow the strongest voices instead of the wisest ones. It is, however, okay if DD decides that some things will be axiomatic, because some things _must_ be assumed; she is just as qualified to decide what those are as you or I. If you find that these core assumptions are incompatible with yours, you should evaluate whether you, she, and everyone else here will still benefit from your contributions.
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19466</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to see more viewpoints, and a reasonable debate between them.  It is, in my opinion, perfectly reasonable to debate your values and beliefs.  You can even lose that debate without surrendering your belief in them; it is not necessary to have every answer at your fingertips.

However, it is important to be debating from the same core principles.  In humanities, as in mathematics, all derived principles are based off of certain core assumptions.  If you can't agree on those basics, you won't be able to have a meaningful debate.  Perhaps it would be useful to agree on what the core beliefs of this community are.  That way, people could exchange opposing viewpoints that are nonetheless based on compatible principles.  Instead of preaching to the choir (with people who already agree), or shouting into the wind (with people who will never agree), we could hold rational discussions with people we could, at some point, find common ground.

Without debate, we're doomed to follow the strongest voices instead of the wisest ones.  It is okay if DD decides that some things will be axiomatic, because some things _must_ be assumed; and she is just as qualified to decide what those are as you or I.  If you find that these core assumptions are incompatible with yours, you should evalute whether you, she, and everyone else here will still benefit from your contributions.</description>
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<p>It would be nice to see more viewpoints, and a reasonable debate between them.  It is, in my opinion, perfectly reasonable to debate your values and beliefs.  You can even lose that debate without surrendering your belief in them; it is not necessary to have every answer at your fingertips.</p>
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<p>However, it is important to be debating from the same core principles.  In humanities, as in mathematics, all derived principles are based off of certain core assumptions.  If you can&#8217;t agree on those basics, you won&#8217;t be able to have a meaningful debate.  Perhaps it would be useful to agree on what the core beliefs of this community are.  That way, people could exchange opposing viewpoints that are nonetheless based on compatible principles.  Instead of preaching to the choir (with people who already agree), or shouting into the wind (with people who will never agree), we could hold rational discussions with people we could, at some point, find common ground.</p>
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<p>Without debate, we&#8217;re doomed to follow the strongest voices instead of the wisest ones.  It is okay if DD decides that some things will be axiomatic, because some things _must_ be assumed; and she is just as qualified to decide what those are as you or I.  If you find that these core assumptions are incompatible with yours, you should evalute whether you, she, and everyone else here will still benefit from your contributions.
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		<title>By: Hephaestos</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19464</link>
		<dc:creator>Hephaestos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Banned. There is very little debate on this blog. Just mindless head nodding and silly immature platitudes. 

Can anyone imagine if the world operated like this? We would all be living as slaves.</description>
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<p>I have to agree with Banned. There is very little debate on this blog. Just mindless head nodding and silly immature platitudes. </p>
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<p>Can anyone imagine if the world operated like this? We would all be living as slaves.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19450</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>banned?, I'm not easily riled these days. I have too many other things to deal with. Go ahead, call me arrogant but it's my blog, my life, my rules. An intelligent answer? Please ask me an intelligent question first...</description>
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<p>banned?, I&#8217;m not easily riled these days. I have too many other things to deal with. Go ahead, call me arrogant but it&#8217;s my blog, my life, my rules. An intelligent answer? Please ask me an intelligent question first&#8230;
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		<title>By: abravanel</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19448</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have the liberty to say whatever you may feel but that doesn't oblige the rest of us swallow the nonsense. This is a private space and if DD feels that your words are offending, then OMG they probably were. Btw this is my personal opinion.</description>
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<p>You have the liberty to say whatever you may feel but that doesn&#8217;t oblige the rest of us swallow the nonsense. This is a private space and if DD feels that your words are offending, then OMG they probably were. Btw this is my personal opinion.
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		<title>By: banned?</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2007/04/01/moderation-2/#comment-19445</link>
		<dc:creator>banned?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 13:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How arrogant you are, miss dd. We "threatend to be banned" people have something to say too. You might disagree with us but why do you just delete? Why don't you have the discussions that you say you want. I am anti-immigration but I don't want to kill immigrants or treat them badly. I just don't want them here. What is so threatening about that and where are your pro-immigration arguments?


I would appreciate an intelligent answer if that's possible.</description>
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<p>How arrogant you are, miss dd. We &#8220;threatend to be banned&#8221; people have something to say too. You might disagree with us but why do you just delete? Why don&#8217;t you have the discussions that you say you want. I am anti-immigration but I don&#8217;t want to kill immigrants or treat them badly. I just don&#8217;t want them here. What is so threatening about that and where are your pro-immigration arguments?</p>
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<p>I would appreciate an intelligent answer if that&#8217;s possible.
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