xm ,,,did anyone say something..?

i think the man was pretty C L E A R ..!

The lack of seriousness in this country is surprising. The lack of organised opposing voice from the citizens is phenomenal, excluding of course the demonstrations whose message is almost always dwarfed by the molotov cocktails. I do not know how the dialog between citizens and the establishment is conducted here. I do not know how people instrument change here.

I would love to hear of people’s stories of how they were able to cause lasting change in Greece. Change that is still benefiting others.

I am so gald that you feel so passionately about this. Generally I don’t find Greece racist, but there is a distinct anti-foreign undercurrent in daily life. My boyfriend tells me all the time that the Roma are not discriminated against in Greece and left alone. But I’ve seen the scornful looks they attract during the summer when they take their kids for an icecream where ‘normal Greeks’ take their own families. It’s a disgrace.

OF course i meant mr HAMMERBURG..ms DD

the other cartoon is not worth even mentioning.

And yes jinger we had a civil war that aired
our differences in this country,
made lasting changes…
that peaceful means
have yet to do lasting change…in any way
progressively in my opinion .

only in the commodity market of change that

citizens = are clients

establishments = is establishment
throws a bone of change once in a while
to keep quiet the natives , that the democratic process is evolving….basic rule does not want to lose clients…PERIOD

thats either side of the establishment.
and sideroads.

AS TO THE MOLOTOVS = ITS THE ESTABLISHMENT
and in particular the police undercover teams
known as “syndicate security”
has been aroynd since the early 1930’s and 60’s

if the molotovs were thrown by the clients
you would know the difference..!

but you see only what the establisment wants you to see ,, you really dont know why in hells
name were so many of students and others of the academic community out in the streets do you,,

and because you see only the molotovs
(which make great t.v. )

others for same reasons
dont take their issues
to the establishment..!
LIKE THE ROM.

SO WHO’S FOOLING WHO ,,? xmmmm,,?

=z=

@ zardoz: But of course, how didn’t I think of it: it’s the roma that don’t want houses, not the State that doesn’t offer them!

Roma aren’t simply discriminated, they’re massacred culturally. While a jew, a black or an albanian are considered “bad”, a roma is not considered fully as person but a kind of untermensch that has different needs than the rest.

The problem is that the lack of education doesn’t let them understand the profound unjustness of their situation and prohibits them to claim their rights. Plus it helps perpetuate a feudalistic situation among the roma society, which practically keeps them in the same mideaval situation through the use of kapos.

@ zardoz: But of course, how didn’t I think of it: it’s the roma that don’t want houses, not the State that doesn’t offer them!

please elaborate ,, i didnt understand your meaning..=z=

probably didnt get my point correctly across either.

AND ON A TECHNICAL NOTE , HAVE YOU SEEN
GREEK STATE HOUSING FOR ROM-OR NONROM

COMPARED IN QUALITY TERMS
TO RUSSIAN OR RUMANIAN STATE HOUSING
ITS BETTER TO LIVE IN THE TENTS WITH THE ROM.

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Greece: OMCT and GHM denounce the continuing discrimination against Roma (in Patras and elsewhere in Greece)

Geneva, 15 March 2007

The World Organisation Against Torture (OMCT) together with the Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM) denounce the continuing discrimination against Roma in Greece and the anti-Roma statement by a Deputy Supreme Court Prosecutor and call for the immediate implementation of the recommendations of the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights

The International Secretariat of OMCT has been informed by Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM), a member of its network, of the continuing discrimination against Roma in Greece, the serious violations of their economic, social and cultural rights and of the recently reported anti-Roma statement of a Deputy Supreme Court Prosecutor. The recent visit of the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights confirms once again the facts relating to the illegal and unlawful evictions of Roma from their homes. OMCT and GHM call for immediate remedial action on the part of Greek authorities including the implementation of the recommendations of the Commissioner for Human Rights.

Anti-Roma statement by a Deputy Supreme Court Prosecutor

Deputy Supreme Court Prosecutor Athanassios Kanellopoulos, in an interview in a weekly newspaper published on 2 February 2007, reportedly made anti-Roma statements in connection with last year’s evictions of Roma from their homes in the city of Patras. He is reported to have said “In my opinion, Patras should not be condemned to experience all these problems. Patras should not be turned into a gyp-town”.

As previously reported by OMCT and GHM, Patras has been the scene of the forced eviction of numerous Roma families without the provision of alternative housing, despite the fact that, according to Greek and international laws, evictions cannot be carried out without alternative accommodation being offered. (OMCT press communiqué of 31 October 2006 annexed). Mr. Athanassios Kanellopoulos was at the time of the evictions the Chief Appeals Prosecutor of Patras and in the newspaper interview he tried to justify the illegal evictions of 2006 for which he appeared to take credit.

Further, GHM reports that Mr. Kanellopoulos previously stated that there were no housing rights for Roma, whereas also, in flagrant breach of the principles of presumption of innocence and of the secrecy of judicial investigation, he announced via the local Patras press that there was evidence suggesting that GHM incited local Roma to commit illegal acts and hence it activities would come under judicial scrutiny.

OMCT and GHM express their deepest concern at the reported anti-Roma and discriminatory statements of Mr. Athanassios Kanellopoulos which are incompatible with the ethical requirements of impartiality and non-discrimination of the high judicial office of Deputy Supreme Court Prosecutor and indeed of any judicial official or civil servant. All people living in Greece have the right to insist on the impartiality and non-discriminatory attitude of such an official.

Discrimination against Roma in Greece

In its previous communiqués, OMCT and GHM have appealed for the end to discrimination against Roma in Greece. OMCT and Greek Helsinki Monitor pointing out that, in addition to the numerous illegal and forced evictions and the unacceptable living conditions of Roma, access to education for Roma children is often impossible, as ethnic Greeks often refuse to allow Roma children to attend the same schools as non-Roma children. As a consequence, several authorities have built annexes to school especially for Roma children, or put them in separate classes for Roma children only. OMCT and GHM have repeatedly called for the full implementation of European and International anti-discrimination norms as well as the application by the local courts of Greece’s anti-discrimination legislation.

Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights speaks out against discrimination

The situation of Roma in Patras was the subject of a letter dated 1 December 2006 by Thomas Hammarberg, Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights to the Greek Minister for the Interior, Public Administration & Decentralisation following his recent visit to Greece. That letter stated, inter alia, that his

“…brief visit to Patras illustrated to me that there are remaining problems. I saw Roma families living in very poor conditions. Also, I met with a family whose simple habitat had been bulldozed away that same morning. It was obvious that the “procedures” for making them homeless were in total contradiction to human rights standards I referred to above. I was also disturbed to notice that non-Roma people appeared on both sites during my visit and behaved in an aggressive, threatening manner to the extent that my interviews with some of the Roma families were disturbed. I had expected that the police would have offered more obvious protection and I did not get the impression of a principled, clear position by the local authorities against such xenophobic, anti-Ziganistic tendencies.”

He further stated that “There also appears to be a need for further work to counter xenophobic and racist tendencies which seriously hinder the social inclusion of Roma.”

Recommendations

OMCT and GHM calls on every international organization that cares about human rights and the respect of the state of law in Greece to strongly protest to the Greek authorities concerning the situation of discrimination against Roma in Greece and in particular the illegal evictions to which they are subjected. Further, should the reported statements of the Deputy Prosecutor of the Supreme Court, Mr. Athanassios Kanellopoulos, be shown to be true, he should not be allowed to continue in his position.

Greek authorities should fully implement the recommendations of the Commissioner for Human Rights and the recommendations made previously by OMCT and GHM, including compensation for the illegal evictions and respect of the housing rights of the Roma.

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ANNEX

Text of Press Communique of 31 October 2006

The International Secretariat of OMCT has been informed by the Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM), a member of its network, that serious violations of the economic, social and cultural rights of Roma communities are continuing in Greece. OMCT, together with the GHM strongly denounce those violations that often involve violence, including cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment and calls for immediate remedial action.

Recent facts:

Since late July 2006, about 60 families of the Makrigianni Roma community (out of a total of 80) have been evicted in Patras, which represents more than 400 persons. They were evicted without being offered alternative housing, despite the fact that, according to Greek and international laws, evictions cannot be carried out without alternative accommodation being offered.

According to the authorities, what are called “evictions” are some “cleaning up” of the settlements. Nevertheless, those so-called “cleaning up” pushed several Roma families to live and to sleep in their cars. As a result, they live precariously in unacceptable health and sanitation conditions that are particularly harmful to children.

Background:

For decades, in Greece, Roma have been subjected to evictions from their homes, demolitions of their homes and threats of evictions throughout the country. Little has been done to improve Roma access to adequate housing, nor has adequate compensations been paid for the destructions of their homes and the personal possessions they have lost. Rather than implementing housing programs which have been announced numerous times, the Greek authorities continue to evict Roma from their homes, or threaten them with evictions which are often encouraged by local ethnic Greeks who also object to attempts to relocate Roma in their area. In effect, numerous complaints are made to the authorities by ethnic Greeks concerning Roma communities, and especially concerning the Albanian Roma, who are much more subjected to forced evictions.

The Greek authorities have made several attempts to evict Roma “lawfully” from their dwellings. As Roma have never been provided with official documents attesting the legitimacy of their residences, they can, from a strictly legal point of view, be evicted under national law. Nevertheless, Roma submit that all these official proceedings as well as the demolitions, the evictions, and the failure or unwillingness to improve Roma’s living conditions, are motivated by their Romani ethnic origins. Moreover, as the domestic courts show significant degrees of favouritism towards the authorities, the courts agree to most demands put forward by the state, which leads Roma to argue that the very notion of the principle of equality of arms is violated by the courts. Furthermore, no consultations take place between judicial authorities and Roma before the eviction decisions are issued. These realities lead to a denial of effective access to courts for Roma.

In addition to the unacceptable living conditions of Roma, access to education for Roma children is often impossible, as ethnic Greeks often refuse to allow Roma children to attend the same schools as non-Roma children. As a consequence, several authorities have built annexes to school especially for Roma children, or put them in separate classes for Roma children only. The need for segregated schools is sometimes defended by the alleged bad health conditions of Roma children and their diseases, due to the lack of access to health services. However, figures suggest that even vaccinated Roma children are segregated in access to education, which is a violation of Greece’s domestic laws as well as the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, and the International Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination.

International decisions:

The European Committee of Social Rights found twice, in December 2004 and in July 2006, a violation of Article 16 of the European Social Charter (protecting the economic, legal and social rights of the family) on three grounds. Firstly, because the authorities failed to provide a sufficient number of permanent dwellings of an acceptable quality to meet the needs of settled Roma. Secondly, because they failed to provide a sufficient number of stopping places for “mobiled” Roma. And thirdly, by failing to prevent the evictions of Roma from sites or dwellings unlawfully occupied. These violations happen notably because of the insufficient means for obliging local authorities to obey the law or sanctioning them for violations.

Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights (right to fair judicial procedures) is also violated in these cases, as the authorities benefit from favouritism before the courts. In addition, the local courts fail to adequately investigate violations of Greece’s anti-discrimination legislation and sanction the perpetrators. As a result, Roma communities, who live, as bad-considered minorities, are not protected by the anti-discrimination legislation.

Recommendations:

OMCT together with GHM recommend:

* to respect Articles 16 of the European Social Charter by providing adequate accommodations and compensation to Roma facing evictions;

* to promptly, thoroughly, effectively and independently investigate all reports of abusive administrative action and discriminatory treatment by public officials and police officers of Roma communities and individuals, and to take sanctions on such cases;

* to raise the awareness of authorities to the needs of the Roma to enjoy adequate and affordable housing with legal security of tenure, to permit access to safe drinking water, adequate sanitation, electricity and other essential services, and to meet their specific cultural needs;

* to provide training to police, public officials, ombudsmen, prosecutors and judges, as well as to local newspapers, on the problems of discrimination against Roma;

* to verify, on each occasion, whether or not discrimination has taken place in order to take appropriate action;

* to investigate adequately all complaints brought to the courts against cases of speech inciting discrimination;

* to sanction all municipal councillors who make discriminatory remarks or do not comply with the regulations and decisions that bind them;

* that visits to Greece be carried out by international monitoring mechanisms as soon as possible and frequently;

* that strong protests be made against the unwarranted prosecutions that NGOs defending the Roma, like the GHM , are subjected to.

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PRESS RELEASE

16 March 2007

Greece: Council of Europe Committee of Ministers ignores Commissioner for Human Rights information and subscribes to Greek state version on Patras Roma evictions

Greek Helsinki Monitor (GHM) is astonished by the content of the Council of Europe (CoE)’s Committee of Ministers (CM)’ Reply to Written Question No. 502 by Mr Cilevičs: “Implementation of the European Social Charter by Greece: Forced evictions of Roma” adopted on 14 March 2007. The CM based the reply exclusively on the report by the Greek government. Thus, it ignored the publicly available letter of the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights (CHR) Thomas Hammarberg to the Greek government on that same topic, following his visit to the Roma concerned: in it the Commissioner confirmed the concerns raised by the PACE member. GHM believes that ignoring rulings, reports, or letters with concrete information by CoE human rights expert institutions like the European Court of Human Rights, the Commissioner for Human Rights, or the European Committee of Social Rights negatively affects the credibility of the CM and the respect the CM must show to PACE when answering the latter’s questions. The full texts of the CM reply, the parliamentary question, and the CHR letter follow.

In the CM reply it is claimed that “the families of [Patras] Greek Roma registered in parts of and settled in the Makrigianni – Rodopoulou district, are sheltered, with their consent, in rented apartments, paid by the municipality. The same measures have been taken with respect to the Roma settled in the Riganokampos district. (…) It is inaccurate to refer to ‘forced evictions’ as the term suggests the existence of legal settlements and legal tenants, which is not the case. (…) There have been administrative acts of evacuation and expulsion in response to the unlawful occupancy of land and to arbitrary and illegal settlement of tracts of public land.”

Yet, the CHR wrote: “However, the brief visit to Patras illustrated to me that there are remaining problems. I saw Roma families living in very poor conditions. Also, I met with a family whose simple habitat had been bulldozed away that same morning. It was obvious that the ‘procedures’ for making them homeless were in total contradiction to human rights standards I referred to above. (…) As regards the current situation in Makrygiannis and Riganocampos, I would like to request further information on the measures taken to compensate and relocate Roma families after eviction or ‘administrative suspension’ and on their security of tenure in current housing.”

Greece misinformed the CM on the evictions. The authorities’ “administrative acts of evacuation and expulsion” were annulled in 2005 as abusive by magistrates while related criminal charges were dropped. The summer 2006 evictions were illegal as they were not the result of any administrative act or court procedure. Video footage (including BBC’s) documents these evictions. Greek Gypsy Union chairman Yannis Halilopoulos was in fact threatened with arrest when shooting evictions. It is also publicly known that one court brief mentioned in the CM reply included the investigation of the magistrates who annulled the administrative protocols of eviction of the Roma in Riganokampos and Makrigianni. The CM finally ignored the Commissioner’s concerns on the aggressive, threatening and racist attitude of the non-Roma neighbors who disturbed his visit; the lack of obvious protection from the police present; and the non-condemnation by local authorities of anti-Roma racism.

Reply to Written Question No. 502 by Mr Cilevičs: “Implementation of the European Social Charter by Greece: Forced evictions of Roma”
(Adopted by the Committee of Ministers on 14 March 2007
at the 989th meeting of the Ministers’ Deputies)
https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=CM/Del/Dec(2007)989&Sector=secCM&Language=lanEnglish&Ver=original&BackColorInternet=9999CC&BackColorIntranet=FFBB55&BackColorLogged=FFAC75#P686_15724

Implementation of the European Social Charter by Greece: Forced evictions of Roma

Written question No 502 to the Committee of Ministers presented by Mr Cilevičs
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc06/EDOC11014.htm

[followed Hammarberg letter mentioned at the beginning of this post]