Comments on: Barometer 2 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/ The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:06:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40255 deviousdiva Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:29:36 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40255 <blockquote>Your “noisy and friendly” toddler was being a nuisance. It was your job to control him, and you chose not to. You deserved the disapproval you got." Countries who indulge their children endlessly and never discipline them wind up with a rude, spoiled adult population with no sense of boundaries. NOT a good thing. </blockquote> Anonymouse, we were on a BUS not an adult place Toddlers are noisy even when they chat. They have often not learned to control the volume of their voices. (He was 18 months old at the time) He is very well disciplined and I can take him ANYWHERE he or I feel like even "adult" spaces because he has had the opportunity to experience many different situations. You made a lot of assumptions about my kid and me that I really do not appreciate. Neither he or I deserved the disapproval we got. That was people being over the top about an enthusiastic toddler. Not everyone sees that as being a bad thing.
Your “noisy and friendly” toddler was being a nuisance. It was your job to control him, and you chose not to. You deserved the disapproval you got.”

Countries who indulge their children endlessly and never discipline them wind up with a rude, spoiled adult population with no sense of boundaries. NOT a good thing.

Anonymouse, we were on a BUS not an adult place Toddlers are noisy even when they chat. They have often not learned to control the volume of their voices. (He was 18 months old at the time)

He is very well disciplined and I can take him ANYWHERE he or I feel like even “adult” spaces because he has had the opportunity to experience many different situations.

You made a lot of assumptions about my kid and me that I really do not appreciate. Neither he or I deserved the disapproval we got. That was people being over the top about an enthusiastic toddler. Not everyone sees that as being a bad thing.

]]> By: George http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40142 George Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:57:56 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40142 I have to agree with Diva. I would be embarrassed back in the World (USA) if my kid was misbehaving, because Americans are less tolerant of noisy kids also, but at least in Greece no one says anything. And if they do, I just say "Padaki einay". (it's a kid for christ's sake) and shrug my shoulders and smile. (works every time) But, of course, I don't bring her to fine dining, theaters etc... She is well disciplined but her creativity is not harnessed either like some mindless troll who just says "how high" when I say jump either... You need a balance when raising kids.

I have to agree with Diva. I would be embarrassed back in the World (USA) if my kid was misbehaving, because Americans are less tolerant of noisy kids also, but at least in Greece no one says anything.

And if they do, I just say “Padaki einay”. (it’s a kid for christ’s sake) and shrug my shoulders and smile. (works every time)

But, of course, I don’t bring her to fine dining, theaters etc…

She is well disciplined but her creativity is not harnessed either like some mindless troll who just says “how high” when I say jump either… You need a balance when raising kids.

]]> By: Anonymouse http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40130 Anonymouse Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:22:31 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40130 P.S. Children do not belong at "grown-up" parties, fine restaurants, or other adult places. The rude practice of dragging children where they do not belong is one reason so many people now specifically exclude children from weddings and the like. Particularly if those children are badly behaved, as they are apt to be when raised by rude and selfish people.

P.S.

Children do not belong at “grown-up” parties, fine restaurants, or other adult places. The rude practice of dragging children where they do not belong is one reason so many people now specifically exclude children from weddings and the like. Particularly if those children are badly behaved, as they are apt to be when raised by rude and selfish people.

]]> By: Anonymouse http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40129 Anonymouse Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:19:16 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-40129 Your "noisy and friendly" toddler was being a nuisance. It was your job to control him, and you chose not to. You deserved the disapproval you got. Countries who indulge their children endlessly and never discipline them wind up with a rude, spoiled adult population with no sense of boundaries. NOT a good thing.

Your “noisy and friendly” toddler was being a nuisance. It was your job to control him, and you chose not to. You deserved the disapproval you got.

Countries who indulge their children endlessly and never discipline them wind up with a rude, spoiled adult population with no sense of boundaries. NOT a good thing.

]]> By: iws http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-17075 iws Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:58:30 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-17075 Hate crimes in Greece are simply not registered ;)

Hate crimes in Greece are simply not registered ;)

]]> By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-17073 deviousdiva Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:10:33 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-17073 Sorry David, your comment went into my spam filter for some strange reason. I just found it. The level of hostility here in Greece is definitely very low compared to England. Hi, An American of Greek descent, I have no idea if the Athens mayor is gay or not.

Sorry David, your comment went into my spam filter for some strange reason. I just found it. The level of hostility here in Greece is definitely very low compared to England.

Hi, An American of Greek descent, I have no idea if the Athens mayor is gay or not.

]]> By: David http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16816 David Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:43:06 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16816 I have to say living in the UK and being gay I find the levels of hostility here particularly in supposedly liberal London very high. I always feel that life here is tinged with the threat of violence for being "queer" Strange when in Greece I don't feel this level of intimidation or the threat of violence. Below is from European report on crime. Rates of 'hate crimes' against minorities were most pronounced in France, Denmark, the UK and the Benelux countries, with the lowest levels in Italy, Portugal, Greece and Austria.

I have to say living in the UK and being gay I find the levels of hostility here particularly in supposedly liberal London very high. I always feel that life here is tinged with the threat of violence for being “queer” Strange when in Greece I don’t feel this level of intimidation or the threat of violence.

Below is from European report on crime.

Rates of ‘hate crimes’ against minorities were most pronounced in France, Denmark, the UK and the Benelux countries, with the lowest levels in Italy, Portugal, Greece and Austria.

]]> By: An American of Greek descent http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16164 An American of Greek descent Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:13:43 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16164 Hi deviousdiva, I saw this survey on Daily Frappe, so it was interesting to read someone's comments who actually lives in Greece. Re the view of homosexuality, I was sort of surprised when I was told by a friend that the new Athens mayor is gay. He told me that the public and press don't make a big deal out of it, though. What do you think?

Hi deviousdiva,
I saw this survey on Daily Frappe, so it was interesting to read someone’s comments who actually lives in Greece.
Re the view of homosexuality, I was sort of surprised when I was told by a friend that the new Athens mayor is gay. He told me that the public and press don’t make a big deal out of it, though. What do you think?

]]> By: Kassandra http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16120 Kassandra Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:42:42 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2007/01/30/barometer-2/#comment-16120 Hi there! I also find it interesting that the percentage of people who said being disabled is a disadvantage in Greece is the same percentage as in the rest of Europe. I imagine it is nearly impossible to lead a semi-functional life here if you are disabled - no wheelchair access anywhere, sidewalks that are anyway impossible to negotiable in a wheelchair, little (if any?) resources for the blind and the deaf... Being disabled can't be a walk in the park anywhere, but in Canada at least there are many provisions for making their lives a little easier. Is it just as bad all over Europe as it is here in Greece? And what percentage of the people who answered that question were actually disabled?

Hi there!
I also find it interesting that the percentage of people who said being disabled is a disadvantage in Greece is the same percentage as in the rest of Europe. I imagine it is nearly impossible to lead a semi-functional life here if you are disabled - no wheelchair access anywhere, sidewalks that are anyway impossible to negotiable in a wheelchair, little (if any?) resources for the blind and the deaf… Being disabled can’t be a walk in the park anywhere, but in Canada at least there are many provisions for making their lives a little easier. Is it just as bad all over Europe as it is here in Greece? And what percentage of the people who answered that question were actually disabled?

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