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	<description>The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: zardoz</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>zardoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know petros ,
some of us greeks 
ARE VERY RICH
come to think of it
why not ,,,,!
I'LL BUY A HOUSE
.......
RIGHT NEXT DOOR 
TO YOURS IN KIFISIA
and house all the evicted
ROMAS THERE,,
and then well see 
what your kind of greek
politismos (culture)
you really have .
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AYTH ΘΑΝΑΙ Η ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΗ
ΕΚΔΙΚΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΓΥΦΤΙΑΣ
και δεν εννοω των rom
εννοω τη δικια σου γυφτια.</description>
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<p>you know petros ,<br />
some of us greeks<br />
ARE VERY RICH<br />
come to think of it<br />
why not ,,,,!<br />
I&#8217;LL BUY A HOUSE<br />
&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
RIGHT NEXT DOOR<br />
TO YOURS IN KIFISIA<br />
and house all the evicted<br />
ROMAS THERE,,<br />
and then well see<br />
what your kind of greek<br />
politismos (culture)<br />
you really have .<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.=Z=<br />
AYTH ΘΑΝΑΙ Η ΠΡΑΓΜΑΤΙΚΗ<br />
ΕΚΔΙΚΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΓΥΦΤΙΑΣ<br />
και δεν εννοω των rom<br />
εννοω τη δικια σου γυφτια.
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		<title>By: melusina</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6378</link>
		<dc:creator>melusina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, the only way to have these types of discussions is to allow people to see "other side" - because that is the type of thing we are fighting against.</description>
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<p>Honestly, the only way to have these types of discussions is to allow people to see &#8220;other side&#8221; - because that is the type of thing we are fighting against.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6333</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Panayote and Georgia. I put a new post up asking what people think about this whole issue.</description>
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<p>Thank you Panayote and Georgia. I put a new post up asking what people think about this whole issue.
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		<title>By: georgia</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6330</link>
		<dc:creator>georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it is quite good that you do share these comments, dd. (at least some of them) i don't see it as a way of supporting or agreeing with them, but by not censuring them, you can show to which extent racism exists here- something most greeks (including politicians) refuse to admit. maybe by addressing such comments there can be a more openminded discussion on these issues aswell...</description>
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<p>i think it is quite good that you do share these comments, dd. (at least some of them) i don&#8217;t see it as a way of supporting or agreeing with them, but by not censuring them, you can show to which extent racism exists here- something most greeks (including politicians) refuse to admit. maybe by addressing such comments there can be a more openminded discussion on these issues aswell&#8230;
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6321</link>
		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree</description>
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<p>I fully agree
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6319</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 08:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Panayote,
I deliberately left the referral and commented on it because many people have asked me for an opportunity to argue against their views. I delete between 5 and 10 comments a week here and I think people need to know what we are up against. 

I will carry on deleting away but I sometimes feel the need to share the "burden" a bit. If you know what I mean. I often sit here alone reading through these comments and feel very isolated. I have chosen to do this so I am not complaining (well, a bit maybe) but I really appreciate it when friends of "This is not my country" stand up to these racists and haters.

Yes, replace the word "gypsies" with blacks, albanians, muslims or any other group of people and you get the fascist idea.</description>
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<p>Hi Panayote,<br />
I deliberately left the referral and commented on it because many people have asked me for an opportunity to argue against their views. I delete between 5 and 10 comments a week here and I think people need to know what we are up against. </p>
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<p>I will carry on deleting away but I sometimes feel the need to share the &#8220;burden&#8221; a bit. If you know what I mean. I often sit here alone reading through these comments and feel very isolated. I have chosen to do this so I am not complaining (well, a bit maybe) but I really appreciate it when friends of &#8220;This is not my country&#8221; stand up to these racists and haters.</p>
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<p>Yes, replace the word &#8220;gypsies&#8221; with blacks, albanians, muslims or any other group of people and you get the fascist idea.
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6312</link>
		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me paraphrase:

"As for the Greeks, there is nothing to stop them from becoming normal and productive members of legitimate Greek society – many, particularly in the all walks of life both in Greece and in the rest of the world, have done so. That the rest choose to live in squalor and ignorance, intolerance and racist hatred, reliant on crime to make ends meet, or reproducing neo-Nazi propaganda to satisfy their sick egos, is a shame – for them – and says nothing about Greek society, except, perhaps, that it is too tolerant of illegality and parasitical behaviour, racism, hatred and intolerance."

That sounds better, wont you agere DD?</description>
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<p>Let me paraphrase:</p>
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<p>&#8220;As for the Greeks, there is nothing to stop them from becoming normal and productive members of legitimate Greek society – many, particularly in the all walks of life both in Greece and in the rest of the world, have done so. That the rest choose to live in squalor and ignorance, intolerance and racist hatred, reliant on crime to make ends meet, or reproducing neo-Nazi propaganda to satisfy their sick egos, is a shame – for them – and says nothing about Greek society, except, perhaps, that it is too tolerant of illegality and parasitical behaviour, racism, hatred and intolerance.&#8221;</p>
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<p>That sounds better, wont you agere DD?
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		<title>By: Panayote Dimitras</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6311</link>
		<dc:creator>Panayote Dimitras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Rebuttal" means "from the extreme right and racist point of view". That is his view of the Roma:

"the social organization of the gypsies or of their favorite pastimes, including drug trafficking, gun running, petty and grand theft, systematic petty fraud, trespassing, and a propensity to violate their natural surroundings as few other groups can do even in a country with the consumptive approach to the environment as Greece."

Maybe DD should delete this referral to such disgusting views.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Rebuttal&#8221; means &#8220;from the extreme right and racist point of view&#8221;. That is his view of the Roma:</p>
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<p>&#8220;the social organization of the gypsies or of their favorite pastimes, including drug trafficking, gun running, petty and grand theft, systematic petty fraud, trespassing, and a propensity to violate their natural surroundings as few other groups can do even in a country with the consumptive approach to the environment as Greece.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Maybe DD should delete this referral to such disgusting views.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6308</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I really need to go and read things like 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The good monsieur, I bet, does not have the faintest idea of local conditions and, certainly, little knowledge of the social organization of the gypsies or of their favorite pastimes, including drug trafficking, gun running, petty and grand theft, systematic petty fraud, trespassing, and a propensity to violate their natural surroundings&lt;/blockquote&gt;

or in the comments

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for the Gypsies, there is nothing to stop them from becoming normal and productive members of legitimate Greek society – many, particularly in the fields of music and entertainment, have done so. That the rest choose to live in squalor and ignorance, reliant on crime to make ends meet, is a shame – for them – and says nothing about Greek society, except, perhaps, that it is too tolerant of illegality and parasitical behaviour.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Remind anyone of anything ?

Generally I do not allow links from right-wing sites (especially not one that has caused me so much grief in the past from its members) but in this case it is such direct opposition to what I posted and what appears in the mainstream media and all over the internet that it is almost laughable (if it wasn't so racist and sad)

Most of the people over there are banned from this blog. &lt;b&gt;Please be warned: It is disturbing reading.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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<p>Like I really need to go and read things like </p>
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<blockquote>The good monsieur, I bet, does not have the faintest idea of local conditions and, certainly, little knowledge of the social organization of the gypsies or of their favorite pastimes, including drug trafficking, gun running, petty and grand theft, systematic petty fraud, trespassing, and a propensity to violate their natural surroundings</p></blockquote>
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<p>or in the comments</p>
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<blockquote>As for the Gypsies, there is nothing to stop them from becoming normal and productive members of legitimate Greek society – many, particularly in the fields of music and entertainment, have done so. That the rest choose to live in squalor and ignorance, reliant on crime to make ends meet, is a shame – for them – and says nothing about Greek society, except, perhaps, that it is too tolerant of illegality and parasitical behaviour.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Remind anyone of anything ?</p>
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<p>Generally I do not allow links from right-wing sites (especially not one that has caused me so much grief in the past from its members) but in this case it is such direct opposition to what I posted and what appears in the mainstream media and all over the internet that it is almost laughable (if it wasn&#8217;t so racist and sad)</p>
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<p>Most of the people over there are banned from this blog. <b>Please be warned: It is disturbing reading.</b>
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		<title>By: Rebuttal</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebuttal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you'd like to read a rebuttal of the recent COHRE report from the right-wing Greek point of view, take a look at this (in English): http://phylaxblog.typepad.com/phylax/2006/12/ooops_greece_ge.html</description>
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<p>If you&#8217;d like to read a rebuttal of the recent COHRE report from the right-wing Greek point of view, take a look at this (in English): <a href="http://phylaxblog.typepad.com/phylax/2006/12/ooops_greece_ge.html" rel="nofollow">http://phylaxblog.typepad.com/.....ce_ge.html</a>
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		<title>By: Petros Houhoulis</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/12/05/272/#comment-6201</link>
		<dc:creator>Petros Houhoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;COMMENT DELETED BY DD&lt;/strong&gt;


I really have got better things to do than read your snide comments.</description>
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<p>I really have got better things to do than read your snide comments.
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