Hate Graffiti
Published by deviousdiva October 4th, 2006 in Hate Graffiti Campaign.Sad Commentary pointed out a particularly grim example of racist graffiti in a municipal park in Aghia Paraskevi (a suburb of Athens). The Greek Helsinki Monitor has promised to make noise about it and has already sent me photographs of the offending material.
The photograph above shows part of a bench in a public park. The entire rant reads as follows:
OUT WITH THE FOREIGNERS!! “Dream of a day without Foreigners. All of them (where ever they come from) are criminals and steal from us. One day, Greece will be a paradise again without Foreigners. Long Live Greece!
It has been there for at least 3 months. Sad Commentary asks the question:
Does this mean that silently they agree with this slogan
I think it does. The municipality ignoring such blatant racism in a public place is sending a message. The message is that they don’t care. They think it’s OK for people to write such things. They agree. If they are looking for an excuse that they didn’t know it was there, it will not stick. The next picture, in the same park, is of a rubbish bin which reads
Foreigners Out
Printed on the side of the bin is the logo of the municipality and clearly it has a new plastic bag inside it.
Will the authorities do anything about it ? I doubt it. There are thousands of racist and anti-semitic slogans complete with swatikas and neo- nazi symbols all over Greece. Jewish cemetaries and properties are frequently defaced. Some “anarchist” groups do cover up some of it by crossing out “foreigners” or “jews” so that they read “Out with the Facists”
Below are some more photographs of graffiti that the GHM complained about in 2005
Jews Out
Foreigners Out
Albanians Out
The last picture also says “Golden Dawn” an extreme right-wing group active in Greece. As you can see the graffiti is written very visibly on highway bridges of main roads (Corinth-Tripoli) and can be easily read by motorists passing by. As far as I know, there was no response to the complaints from the Greek Helsinki Monitor.
I think we should start a campaign against hate graffiti.
Can we collect as many examples of it from all over Greece ?
Can we shame the authorities into doing something about it?
Can we get any major newspapers interested in covering it ?
I have more questions than answers at the moment but I just want to state my willingness to do something. It’s vile. It is making me sick to my stomach seeing it.
Any ideas from you are very welcome. I am going to start writing to some people today
If there is sufficient interest in it, I will make a page at the top of this blog for the campaign.
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Wow! that was fast. Yes, Diva you are right. If me, the foreigner, can see it from far away when walking by it (giro-giro), I’m sure the Greek soccer players, coaches, etc see it as well.
Good Job!! I’m glad I made a difference today and no longer will see that CRAP and feel I can’t do anything about it.
Thank you!
Hi Diva
I think you are slightly missing the point here. The problem is not the sloggans themselves. The problem is that the appropriate government services do not care enough to rid the towns and cities from the graffiti, the garbage and the things that make them ugly.
In the town I come from (Ioannina), every time I go back to see my parents (just like you, I am an immigrant, in the UK), the same stupid graffiti slogans (something about hitler and anarchists, can’t really remember) have been left at the back of official buildings since I was a kid and still lived there.
Well Apotheosis you are half-right.
Authorities do not do anything as people do not seem to ask them to. After all authorities are not extra-terrestrial dictators but those who we elect and those who the latter appoint.
Thanks for dropping by, Apotheosis. I don’t think I’ve seen you here before ?
I agree that most of the graffiti around the place is ugly and it shows a distinct lack of caring that nothing is done about it.
I disagree though, that I am missing the point. I have a huge problem with the slogans themselves, as I think many people who are the subject of such hatred do. They are racist and anti-semitic and they should be removed immediately.
The harmless tagging and childish scrawlings on walls is not the target of my anger (although I wish something would be done about that too)
My anger comes from the fact that a municipality can ignore this racist/anti-semitic material and what message that puts across. To me it seems to indicate that it is OK to write such filth.
I wonder how the Albanian children at my local school felt when they saw “Albanians out” written all over their playground? It was removed fairly quickly, (sarcasm), it only took about a week.
I think that if those slogans on bridges on a major highway had been anti-greek, they would have been removed immediately.
Panayote, authorities are not there to be asked by people to do things. They have certain responsibilities to perform, regardless if the general populace cares much or little. Are you implying that because x number of people don’t really care about, say, garbage in towns, the authorities should neglect garbage collection?
This has nothing to do with dictatorship, but much to do with how a society and a government functions, delegates, organises, and performs tasks for the improvement of the society, the country and the residents.
Hi Diva, I have been reading you for about a year, but have not commented before.
I think the problem is that because graffiti and the general appearance issues in towns and cities have been there for so long, they have become invisible, part of the scenery if you will. But I agree that for most people, if something is of no consequence to them, they don’t really care or try to do anything about it. And it is unfortunately particularly true for Greeks.
Apotheosis and the rest:
Another thing to consider is that many people here in Greece talk bad about foreigners, even if it’s done in a “Ti na kanoume” motif.
As an American, I hear quite often about how horrible Albanians are, but no one tells me how bad Americans are.
Now, my baby sitter from Ukraine tells me that she has had several Greek families she baby-sits for tell her how Americans are bad people who only start wars. Although, 99% of Greeks tell me that they don’t like G.W. Bush, but don’t have anything against me personally.
So, maybe the Greeks are equal opportunity bashers and they just don’t bash the person they are talking to at that moment.
Could this be the case?
We have such a bad graffiti problem here in Greece. When walls get painted, you can guarantee it won’t be long before someone has left their mark on it. After reading your post last night, I actually took the time to read graffiti on the way to work, I usually pay no attention and I’m happy to report the most ‘extreme’ slogan I saw was ‘DESTROY ATHENS 2004′ on a wall in Halandri. I’m guessing it’s been there a while and I’ve drove past it every day.
Now by not removing graffiti, I don’t think that it means the municipality is agreeing with the slogans (because I personally think that the municipality doesn’t care that Kostas loves Maria or whatever), I think this is a sign that we need to get tougher on ALL grafitti artists because it’s a huge blight on the city.
As for the racist comments, if the municipality is aware of them, they certainly have a duty to remove them but I just ask myself the question, they remove it one day, the ‘artist’ comes back the next and repaints.
It’d be a never ending circle, I think a different solution is needed.
Chopping the hands off all graffiti artists maybe? Or is that a little extreme?
Hi EllasDevil, I agree removing graffiti would be a never-ending circle and I am sure that would be one excuses the authorities would give. As for them possibly not knowing about it, the examples on the bridges that I posted were taken up by the Greek Helsinki Monitor and the relevant people were notified. Still, nothing was done.
Perhaps graffiti-cleaning could be one of the alternatives to the military national service ? Just a suggestion…
In Los Angeles, they have a tagger ID program. If you see someone writing graffiti, and report them, and it leads to a conviction, you get a reward.
Also, why not make the penalty severe enough that people will think twice before writing that graffiti.
I think that graffiti in the states is a misdemeanor but many judges these days in the US seem to be giving stiff penalties for any Hate related crimes, so I’m sure hate related graffiti as seen above would get a definite jail sentence.
Maybe that’s what needs to happen in Greece. I hate to say this but here in Greece, the anarchists riot every year on 17N and do they ever get anything more than a slap on the wrist?
If there were some serious jail time waiting for them, maybe they would think twice.
Apotheosis
I do not mean that authorities do not have a responsibility but as they are generally inefficient when the people are passive they do much less. If a TV channel carried the story graffitti will be erased in 5 minutes.
Greeks have the authorities they sereve in a way.
And of course if you read all GHM work we traget the authorities but I dont want here to pretend that the people have no responsibility.
People, I’m sorry, but next time you see a grafiti, don’t come here to blame the authorities. Remove them yourself.
unfortunately those fascist trolls enjoy the protective care of the authorities……..
By the way here in Cyprus, it is worse for foreigners……racism is almost state-sponsored
Antonio, are you saying that we should all be going around with pots of paint (in different colours to match the original backgrounds) and painting over the graffiti ?
Surely it is the responsibility of the municipalities to ensure that our neighbourhoods are in a decent state ?
I am sure you would not say that we should go out and repair broken pavements and holes in the road ourselves ?
Yes, we have a civic responsiblity and most of us do our bit. I draw the line at doing the job of the local authorities because they cannot be bothered to do it. If elected officials are not doing the things they are supposed to do (and have promised to do) we should pressure them into doing it, shouldn’t we ?
[BTW when I say WE I am referring to everyone, everywhere not just to Greeks]
Yes, deviousdiva, that’s what I’m saying. You don´t need to match the original backgrounds. And keep bothering. the authorities.
I hate all graffitti. Got something to say? Paint your own wall. Or get a blog.
All this proves is that the U.S. still has not cornered the market on stupidity and small-mindedness.
Yet.
Oops: too many “t’s” there.
Panayote: The Graffiti in Aghia Paraskevi park is still there.
I know I just checked it today as I was passing by.
So, what did they say when you told them about it.
And who did you tell? Could we tell Evagellatos or one of those types?
GHM did not tell anyone just issued this
http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/ind.....p;cid=2723
and sent it to authorities.
Evagelatos: you dont know his views are similar?
The problem of graffiti in Greece - racist or otherwise - does seem a difficult nut to crack. While I quite like some of the more artistic street art that has appeared in Athens in recent years, this is vastly outnumbered by mindless tagging, tired old political sloganeering and now, we see, racist sentiments too.
I can see how removing graffiti could be argued to be futile, and that local councils simply wouldn’t have the resources to be able to keep up with the vandals, even if they were inclined to. But I still think that if the political will was at least *there*, the problem could be reduced (if never eliminated altogether).
The mind boggles that the owners of all these newly and expensively renovated neo-classical buildings in Athens and elsewhere haven’t bothered to treat the external surfaces with anti-graffiti paint, even though this exists. I would’ve thought that would be a complete no-brainer.
There are other things that could be done: ban the sale of permanent marker pens, forbid the sale of spray paint to minors or make it only available to people who have a licence to use it, install CCTV near frequently-vandalised surfaces, offer rewards to those whose information leads to the arrest of vandals, and stiffer penalties for those arrested. And actually bother to *enforce* laws that are made.
Oh my eyes, I sould like the Daily Mail! My politics aren’t usually like that at all, but I simply can’t believe that doing NOTHING is the best solution.
Bel, you have some good ideas that I agree on.
But, when you say we should ban “permanent markers” could you NOT do that please. Because, I need those type of markers for my job.
Everything else sounds good though!
Bravo! Continue your fight against graffiti vandalism, and toward getting it cleaned up. The tagging is one crime, but leaving it there is a new crime each day. Take Action! Get out there and paint it over as quickly as you can. Don’t wait for the government to do it. If the vandals can paint, then you can paint. Do it today — just keep your own neighborhood clean. In San Francisco (California, U.S.) our slogan is “Respect Your City / Respect Yourself / Fight Graffiti Vandalism”.
Devia,
I found one of the articles of international law dealing with this sort of matter. Sorry that I am not aware of the status of obligations due for this matter at the national level. (Namely, I did not check if Greece is a party to this particular text).
The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.
Article 4. States Parties condemn all propaganda and all organizations which are based on ideas or theories of superiority of one race or group of persons of one colour or ethnic origin, or which attempt to justify or promote racial hatred and discrimination in any form, and undertake to adopt immediate and positive measures designed to eradicate all incitement to, or acts of, such discrimination and, to this end, with due regard to the principles embodied in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the rights expressly set forth in article 5 of this Convention, inter alia:
(a) Shall declare an offence punishable by law all dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement to racial discrimination, as well as all acts of violence or incitement to such acts against any race or group of persons of another colour or ethnic origin, and also the provision of any assistance to racist activities, including the financing thereof;
(b) Shall declare illegal and prohibit organizations, and also organized and all other propaganda activities, which promote and incite racial discrimination, and shall recognize participation in such organizations or activities as an offence punishable by law;
(c) Shall not permit public authorities or public institutions, national or local, to promote or incite racial discrimination.
and there I was thinking that the Golden Dawn lot were FASCISTS. Silly me. And how ignorant of me to go around thinking that these slogans are racist. How can they be when they are just asking for foreigners to get out ? And how on earth could I get the idea that
is racist ?
I am so sick of you nationalists coming over here and spouting your drivel. How about you find something more constructive to do with your copious amounts of free time. Go and spend your time scribbling on blogs that are more suited to your views. There are plenty of them. Most of them have managed to find me easily enough so I am sure it wouldn’t be too taxing for you to find them.
COMMENT DELETED BY DD. PLEASE READ MY COMMENT POLICY. IT CLEARLY STATES:
Hey Bitch..get outta Greece then if you can’t take the pressure. or move to Shiptartan.
Let me remind everyone why we all come to this blog:
“The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing.”
Of course “anonymous” is a classic example of people not responding to pressure. Maybe, he should start looking at the European business landscape and see that Greece is in the same category with Albania, Bulgaria and Romania. Why? Maybe because Greece is not reliable enough in so many fronts including human rights. Hell, when my packages stay in customs for 8 months or when EU companies refuse to deliver to me because I am in Greece it is bad. Maybe “anonymous” and every “anonymous” should stop bitching about their own government further eroding the education system, keeping salaries down etc and get out. Or.. not, no other country in the world has φραπέ! We cannot leave!
Anyway. Diva is trying to drum up some energy about the crap graffiti. Maybe we should also find some examples of “έξω οι βλάχοι από την Αθήνα” to complete the picture so Greeks are also included. This graffiti started appearing in the late 80s and it means “kick the bumpkins out of Athens”. As most of you probably know, the original Athenian families were very few. Most people living in Athens have come from villages from all over Greece. Considering that back then each village had a very strong identity and culture, the people who moved to Athens moved to a different country. Ask anyone from Crete who lives in Athens and they feel as displaced as any migrant. Should we do what the graffiti says to bring Athens back to some “glory days” of refinement and whateverege? Of course not. That was an era and like every era it get replaced by another. Some eras we find more appealing some we don’t. In the end it is what we make it. Now, what would you prefer this era to be? One remembered for its unresolved racial tension or one remembered for how this tension got resolved and everyone lived happily?
You get my point.
the graffiti simply represents the racism that genuinely exists in modern Greece, and that is often denied; it was not acceptable when I lived in Greece. It is not acceptable today! sadly, it still seems to permeate all aspects of modern Greek life. It would be nice if the authorities felt morally bound to remove it, but they do not. The GHM makes self-righteous noises, but as in much else, they remain ineffective. The real finger of blame must point towards the Current church adiminstration, which controls so much popular belief as much as towards the Government. The present Archbishop is on record uttering anti-semitic gibes and anti-Turkish propaganda as well as supporting a number of far-right political ornaisations that have racist agenda. (when I approached him to support my partner, he went on tv that evening to say “All Turks are Barbarians.” It drew international interest, and later, he claimed he had been misrepresented. But he still offered my partner no support, while the soldiers who raped him were assured and remain assured of the military support of their comrades and officers. The ugly nationalism that is currently so distracted by the issue of school text-books is the same nationalism that overlooks the graffiti that would never be tolerated in any other European capital city.
I am writing, incidentally, as the partner of Necati Zontul, who was himself a victim not only of an appalling act of torture and abuse at the hands of the uniformed representatives of the Greek state, but who was also the victim of cack-handed and misguided “help” from some Greek-staffed NGOs, and who has endured 6 years of deceit and evasion by the Greek authorities who still today fail to take responsibility for the actions of the men who represent it. As I write, we are beiginning to unearth some fo the suppressed evidence and to piece together the string of corruption that eats into the heart of modern Greek society. If NGOs, and uniformed officers cannot be trusted, then it is hardly surprising that racist graffiti cannot be painted over. Civil society needs to go much further than bleat about a lack of media interest, and it is that attitude that needs to change first. Your site goes a long way towards making that possible. Congratulations!
Tim
I have sought out your website and feel glad to have a place to air my views on the Greek graffiti blight..
I agree it is frightening that some people whose ancestors died to keep them living in a free country are acting in such a blinkered, stupid and moronic way. Because Greece is still a democracy they are allowed to deface the beauty of their country in the most foul and ignorant way.
All democracies have this problem. It is the essence of a democracy that people are free to hold opinions which sometimes seem out of step with the majority. That is their prerogative. There are websites and publications where their points of view may be aired and debated. This is the course of action used by real intellectual, thinking antagonists. Putting their point of view where it can be answered or argued. The cowards way out is to cover their beautiful cities with garish unartistic swathes of car paint. Well done to all those anonymous graffiti soapboxers, you are announcing just how ignorant and cowardly you are.
Time will change the majority of these aerosol happy anarchists to respectable businessmen, some will drop by the wayside and others will be misfits to the end of their days, if that is what they desire. Life has so much to offer but some people follow the course of denying themselves much of the pleasure of life because of self inflicted stubbornness. In a democracy that is their privilege no matter how sad their time on earth is made by this but rebelliousness does not have to go with destructiveness.
There is a blight on Greece now and many people are returning home after a holiday with no wish to return. They have seen what they want to see, all the past treasures and beauty of days gone by and the contrast of today’s citizens (albeit a minority) who have ruined the beauty of their heritage.
This is not only a problem in Greece. In Brisbane, Australia, graffiti-ists have been rounded up and fined $A1000 for defacing railway sidings. Most countries of the world have this problem to tackle, not least the UK. But the Greek authorities seem not to take it seriously and yet they have some of the most beautifiul architecture in the world.
Singapore does not have the problem of graffiti. The government is not oppressive but sensible and everyone can walk the streets of Singapore in safety no matter what time of night without looking at monstrous swathes of garish paint over their buildings which for the most part are not a patch on Greek architecture. They have one of the most thriving tourist industries in the world despite the smallness of the country and are rich in multiculture and tolerance of many different religions.
The graffiti blight has reached the beautiful Greek island where I live and the tourists have dropped off dramatically because of the sense of seediness it gives. The sad thing is that it is one boy who is responsible and the council know who it is. It could be nipped in the bud but they choose to do nothing. Why? I do not know.
Please Greece, treat this matter seriously and bring the culprits to book for their vandalism.
Yours truly
A lover of true art, modern and ancient.
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We the undersigned urge the leaders of the EU to respond to the recent demonstration of appalling discrimination and human rights violation by Greek authorities towards Albanian immigrants. The recent video of two immigrants slapping each other at the orders of a Greek police officer is an unacceptable example of institutional violence against the rights and dignity of human beings in Greece. We call on European institutions to act and stop this abuse!
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I am urging all members of Greek Indymedia to sign up: one wise Greek man has written these words: “I hope you all understand that this is NOT greece. THESE ARE THE AUTHORITIES. pigs do not have ethnicity. It is now our responsibility to fight crime made by the law.”
I am also a victim of torture by the Greek authorities, and I absolutely endorse these words- the brutes who torture and the politicians and lawyers who protect them bring shame on the Nation. They are so different from the ordinary Greeks who I have met and many of whom I count as friends: but it is the police and the coastguard who meet the unfortunate foreigners who are tortured. DO YOU WANT YOUR COUNTRY TO BE REPRESENTED BY THESE THUGS??? Please demand action and call for an end to torture!
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I passed by the park in Aghia Paraskevi on the way home from work a few days ago, and more graffiti has been placed, but the initial comments have been lined thru by someone. Although you can read the comments, it appears someone tried to remove them.
Maybe Panayiote Dimitras could give us an update? Apparently the graffiti has been there now over 1-1/2 years.
Well, what do we have here? A blog where an english along with a few americans and some greek-speaking ‘persons’, gathered to speak about those “racist” and “intolerant” Greeks… If this Diva english person knows what the word ‘Democracy’ means- and i m sure he admires ancient Greeks more than modern ones- he will have the dignity to leave all opinions appearing in this blog. Now, what is the puprose of this blog, i wonder? Is it to express this english ‘humanity’? Pretty weird if you ask me, the english are not so famous for their ‘humanity’, but for other things..
These walls belong to Greeks, as does this soil you re walking on, foreigners/visitors/tourists/whatever you are. So, national Greeks do have the right to write whatever they want on them. Greece, as you PROBABLY have discovered, is not a western economic heaven like America or Britain. We haven’t been exploiting the planet to create such wealth, you see, like your “humane” home countries did. We are simple people. And you DARE to come here and preach to us about “racism”, with your disgusting political correctness, you, the offspring of the world’s worst exploiters and murdererd of whole nations? Have you got NO shame and dignity at all inside you?
Yes it’s god damn right to write such things on the walls, when Greece is a poor country, where survival is the issue. When immigrants come and steal the bread from our children’s mouth, all because International Finance and criminal capitalism decided that all nations must become sources of extremely cheap labor.
These are just hints you see on the walls, soon, most ILLEGAL ALIENS will have to return to their countries whether they want to or not…. they should try to fix them, NOT destroy our own….
Nemesis, remember Graffiti is ugly and illegal. Would you like that crap all over your house? I think not. Who wants to see it at a park.
Plus, remember all those immigrants are not unlike the Greeks of yesteryear who were cleaning the toilets, houses etc of the Americans and other peoples.
But, those Greeks became productive members of America and other diaspora areas.
Let the immigrants in Greece have a chance as America and many other countries gave you Greeks a chance.
It’s your turn to show some philanthropy even though many Greeks don’t know what the word means (and it’s a greek word)
Nemesis in a very straightforward way has hit the nail in the head!
As for philanthropy we have seen many ‘ philanthropers ‘ helping the Iraqis and the Lebanese…after of course they send them back to the stone age!!
So George spare as the sermon and come down to earth….
If you remove the “illegal immigrants” who have been supporting the Greek economy for the last few decades, doing work that Greeks refuse to do, you will get a nasty shock. Basically, nothing will function, price inflation will go back to the 1980s levels, unemployment wil rocket out of control…
Happily for you, there is no way to remove “illegal immigants” so you will not find that out. This, of course, allows you to continue with the delusion that immigrants “steal the bread from our children’s mouths”.
Diana R: Your knee-jerk anti-Americanism, although in fashion, lacks critical thinking. Please get some new material.
No one was comparing the US Govt to the Greek govt. We were comparing the lack of philanthropy shown by the Greek people towards immigrants compared with the obvious years of philanthropy shown to Greeks in years gone by the USA and other caring countries.
Alrighty! I see some ‘democracy’ at work here! I hope you anglosaxons appreciate the fact that you can engage in it with a proper Greek like me. ‘George’, although you do not specify, my guess is you re an american. No, i would not like graffiti all over my house, because it is a private place, parks on the other hand are public places and anyone can politely and democratically share their views with their countrymen, as you ve already witnessed. Your comparisons of Greek LEGAL immigrants with the millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS that have swarmed Greece in recent decades is simply ridiculous. America was/is NOT a nation, but a multiracial-multiethnic experiment. Anyone was challenged to take part in it, and so did some Greeks. AND, any Greek who went there was of course medically checked and was kept on record. Greeks do not owe anything to America or to Americans. They were viewed as lesser and alien, NOTHING was given to them in a spirit of “philanthropy”, so please do not use Greek words you obviously can not fully comprehend. Greece on the other hand, is a NATION, not an experimental ‘melting pot’ like your country. The Greek govnt has been actually VERY philanthropist towards ILLEGAL ALIENS, because they could have been killed on site, since they were invading a country’s borders, instead of the authorities sheltering them.
Diana R, hello. Good point..
Mr Baldwin, you are apparently an anti-Greek Nation foreign guest (?) professor at Panteion University. You know, it surprises me, the certainty with which you state that there is no way the Greeks can decide to get rid of those that are illegally violating their country’s borders. What, are you an official of some foreign government or some “Organization” that designs Greece’s immigration policy?? If yes, at least let us know. Do you even have the right to vote in this country? I believe you are already aware of it, but need I remind you that THIS IS NOT YOUR COUNTRY? You can say whatever you want to, this is the delightfulness of ‘democracy’, but at best your opinions will be those of a weird tourist who believes he has a say in a foreign country’s national issues, or at worst your opinions are those of a foreign anti-Greek person with extreme leftist and ‘new world order’ ideas and with suspicious goals. Please be kind enough to tell me which of the two is true in your case. What you mention about Greek economy is just another ‘cliché’, the truth is that only a let’s say 5-10% of ILLEGAL immigrants are into heavy duty labour. If they weren’t here, so much for the better, Greeks would HAVE to undertake these jobs and their wages would be of course a lot higher then they are now for the ILLEGAL immigrants who do them. I repeat, Greece is a SOVEREIGN NATION, not a fund raising asylum for the world’s homeless. Immigrants should struggle to fix THEIR country, as we try to do with ours. And non-Greeks should try to apply their political and social ideas to THEIR country, not in ours, because here, OUR will shall prevail.
Regards