Drowned
Published by deviousdiva September 28th, 2006 in Immigration.Full report at Scotsman News
Someone just notified me of this shocking incident.
A group of immigrants have accused the Greek coastguard of throwing them into the sea after their boat was intercepted. Six people drowned and three others are missing. One of the survivors, Muhammedi Alti, said
Greek security forces threw us into the sea from a coastguard boat without even asking whether we knew how to swim
Apparently the boat they were travelling in was near the coast of the Greek island of Chios. The coastguards from the island captured them, took them near to the Turkish port of Karaburun and dumped them in the water.
Muhammedi Alti said
I still can’t believe what we have lived through. We managed to swim to the shore with my wife. We had thought that human rights would be more valuable in Europe
The accounts of what happened have not been verified. The Greek foreign and merchant marine ministries said they had no knowledge of the incident.
The Turkish coastguards rescued 31 people and recovered the bodies of 6 more. They said that they were not contacted by the Greek coastguards (as is the usual practice) and that they launched the rescue mission after residents reported hearing cries from the sea.
The commander of Turkish coastguard, Rear Admiral Can Erenoglu, said that no vessel was spotted at the scene of the rescue. Erenoglu also claimed that his officers had witnessed the Greek coastguard abandoning illegal immigrants at sea on two previous occasions, once earlier this year and again in 2004.
I just want to reiterate that this incident has NOT been verified yet.
But if it is true it is shocking to say the least.
UPDATE: Thank you Anon for alerting me to this. I don’t know how I missed it. Not paying attention I guess.
As you say, this is now international news. Here are links to a variety of articles on this story.
UPDATE 2
I posted this story with six links to articles from different sources (one of them refuting the claims) and I still get accused of not covering the whole story. I did say twice in the post that the reports are unconfirmed. I am getting really tired of this continual denial of negative aspects in this country. Greece is not perfect. Get used to it.
How about we try and find out what really happened ? If anyone has any other links, please email them to me.
Here’s another article, this time from Spiegel
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http://www.turkishweekly.net also has articles confirming this story, as well as Headline News Greece. It is now an international story.
Well, I certainly hope it isn’t true, although I haven’t seen a story that offers real proof yet.
oh my gosh. this european immigration thing is being handled so poorly.
thank you for continuing to write, i really appreciate it, we need voices like yours, depsite the trolls.
i’ve been gone for awhile, so this is a bit late, but am glad to see that you didn’t stop blogging.
Greek authorities have denied the accusations. Please cover the full story.
I did. I posted links to 6 different articles and I also said in the original post:
and
As far as you are concerned, I am wrong whatever I say or do.
Well, your headline is “Drowned”, not “Possible Drownings”, so you’re giving the impression that you want to believe those allegations.
Also, Turkey and Greece have entered into a bilateral agreement on this issue; why hasn’t the Turkish government done more to prevent people smugglings on its side?
That’s a side of this story that deserves attention, too.
FairAndBalanced. If you wish to be accurate rather than clutch at straws, six people were DROWNED not “possibly drowned”. The question is whether they were thrown into the sea by the Greek coastguards or not.
Yes, that is another side of the story, about the Turkish government, but the post is not about that.
It’s another side of the story, and an important one.
As terrible as the fate of these people was (and I agree with you, it should never have happened), why do left-wing commentators like you refuse to focus on the governments (such as Turkey’s) which create the appalling conditions that cause these people to want to leave in the first place?
Greece did not create the political, economic, and social terrors which made these people flee; it has no predisposed emnity towards these people (unlike those people’s own governments), it is merely trying to keep its borders secure.
If you really want to solve this, you have to focus pressure on those countries causing the problem.
Greece is not causing the problem.
Hey, Turkey’s not the problem.
It’s America. Yeah, America is causing the problem.
Hey everybody, look at me, I’m cool!!
I can criticize America now and people will like me!
Yippee!
obviously your neither fair nor balanced…..!
point one .
the turkish goverment has never let turks get past them. period
THEY USUALL STRUT IN WITH PASSPORT AND AIRFARE.
or with parachute ,as in CYPRUS,,(and we know whos fault that one is)
so its not the turks with the problem …..!
BECAUSE WHO GETS PAST ,?,,
,PUSHED IN I WOULD SAY.!
………armenians ,,yes.
…………………….kurds,,yes
…………………………and everyone else coming for a better future from bangladesh to syria to iran to pakistan , since the early seveties.
to get away from famine and poverty ,plus the albanians that were imported by the right wing greek POLITICIANS seeking a cheap labor force ,,,,,ect ,,
statistically theres over 1,500,000
non greeks living in greece at this time .
did this leftie bloggie let them in,,,,boohooboohoo.
I THINK NOT . (unfair and unbalanced)
Of course the responsibility of having all these people here is
greece’s and the european countries problem.
REMEMBER FRANCE AND THE YOUTH BURNING EVERYTHING….
THINK ITS ONLY THE LEFT’S PROBLEM ……………..
……………………………………….think again…(balanced)
IF THE RIGHT WAS IN CHARGE IN EUROPE FROM THE SECOND WORLD WAR
UP TO NOW ,, HOW DID THEY ALL GET PAST’EM…..XMMMMMM..?
ITS OUR PROBLEM ,all of us ,, ITS GREECES FAULT. period
BUT REALLY WHAT KINDA PROBLEM IS IT ,,?
why do these people leave their country ,,?
why are their countries poor ….?
whose fault is that ……………………?
are we greeks having DEJAVU …,?
didnt we seek solutions away from our country ?
did they drown us.coming over .?
to australia ,america ,?
did we really solve anything ,,or are we still in ball and chains..?
and think its the albanians fault , the blacks fault ,,whoever’s fault
the turks fault ,, no its the left’s fault , for being social wimps..?
should we pick up our guns and shoot all the africans ??
coming in .will that solve it…..?
should we kill all the turks pushing them in,,will that solve it ..?
how about the syrians ???
mass murder the pakistanis ??? will that solve it??
why take it to the UN whose new general secretary
is an asian businessman working for american conglomaretes.
or to our girl president at the UN ,,NTORA , whose daddy owns
1/10 of downtown paris and makes his money from KRUP AND THYSSEN?(ARMS AND CHEMICAL SUPERCOMPANIES)
xmm too much mayhem. NOT ENOYGH POLITICAL CLOUT.
XM somethin simple ,,,,
maybe breed the great white shark in the aegean..?
and train them to attack anything thats in a boat
and doesnt speak greek.!
OR HOW ABOUT
answer no 1)
lets mine the borders and machine gun anyone crossing over.
answer no 2)
lets attack the turks because there letting everyone in .
how about these solutions,,?
the situation is neither some leftie bloggers fault nor yours
personally , if you think this is what im saying
its all our fault.. its the greek peoples fault ..
for letting our democracy in the hands of
THE PRICKLESS POLITICIANS THAT ARE
REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR MALARCHY AND IRESPONSIBILITY.
and in thinking world famine isnt going to come to my door,,?
poverty can never come to my door….?
and you aint seen nothin , yet till you see the chinese
come in like the locust and and youll see the island of crete
disappear in ten years ,,
think im joking huh……….think about it ,,
were doing nothin to save our planet , and the people on it
and the imperialsts americans are unleashing the chinese
on europe ,, as if europe had solved the fleeing africans problem ?
be fair ,,,point out ,, whos fault it is ,,if you wanna be called fair .!
and consider all the solutions ,, for all
WE WILL NEVER BE THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE , 1990.
————END STORY
and if theres truth to something ,its that the greek coast guard
is overworked
underpaid , doesnt have manpower ,,to guard everything
has to play a oidipus role ,,
has to pay the price of greek political and world stupidity
by going off the deep end
thinking in the vastness of the deep sea , THEY can make policy
and play god , this as hephastos has said is not a greek .
“a greek is filoxenos and with a big heart for all peoples.”
youre mad now ,, but why ?
because it cant happen in greece ,,??
why..? whats the difference from the americans
kickinthe shit out of the iranians,,
or the guadanamo guards torturing people.
is the education and fear different ..?
do we as greeks have politics and politicians ,
that have the same opinion as BUSH
“capture torture ,, execute ,, just in case their terrorists
or i shit in my pants because their a different color or poor ..?
so use preemptive strikes
and drown some of them JUST TO QUELL WHOSE FEARS ????
AND THE RICH GET RICHER ,,,,ON OUR STUPIDITY
AND GOING AT EACH OTHER THROATS ,,
BECAUSE ITS THE LEFT AND RIGHT FAULTS.
TECHNICAL BARRICADES AND LOTS OF SMOKE
NOT ME SISTER .
GET OVER THEM …….SUPPOSEDLY FAIR AND BALANCED.
AS TO BALANCED ,,SORRY BUT YOURE LOPSIDED.
THINK IT OVER
P.S.
BECAUSE GREECE HAD A HAND IN STARTING THIS.!
WANNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
AND SOLVE ,,,THE PROBLEM
OR HIDE IN A SHELL ACCUSING
ITS NOT OUR PROBLEM
WE DIDNT START IT.. NIAH NIAH NIAHH NIAHH
Zardoz, your posts might be interesting if you stopped the pretence of using this obtuse writing style.
hephastos
my obtuse wtiting style takes more time
and orama , than the katevata sentonia you serve
so if i have to live with you ,,
………and your 20,000 word per page walls.
you can live with my 700 word oratory on a blog.
IF ……..WE CAN FIND A WAY TO SPEAK OF SOLUTIONS…?
BECAUSE IF WE STAY IN THE PAST,,,
WE CAN ONLY BE DIVIDED..
BECAUSE ITS THE SAME COIN DIFFERENT SIDES…
SO CHOOSE YOURE FUTURE ……..UNITED WE STAND
DIVIDED WE HAVE NO FUTURE TO GIVE TO NEXT GENERATION.
BY THE WAY ,,, ARE YOU A LEO..or a LIBRA .? astrologically speaking
Zardoz
the past is important
because it informs the present and future
the future is important because it informs the present and past
………when we read we speak to our dead people
time is almost circular
there is no end point nor beginning
time is the essence of being
I AM AN AQUARIAN
………and I do not belong to any secret organisations….CRAIG
but i do not believe
in HOCUS POCUS
it shows a loss of nerve in…….
OUR ABILITY TO REASON AND BE TRULY HUMAN