Comments on: THE VISIT http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/ The only thing necessary for the persistence of evil is for enough good people to do nothing. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15164 deviousdiva Mon, 15 May 2006 10:59:54 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15164 Thank you for writing to me, Tempy. I do not know how to answer you because I do not know the law, but it seems (from reading your blog too) that someone has got a court order to make you go in hospital, to find out what is wrong with you or perhaps, because you are in danger or possibly suicidal <blockquote>Hoping I might one day find my exit.</blockquote> I don't know because I don't have all the facts. If you are in danger, for any reasons it may not be illegal or maybe you are under 18 and a parent or guardian has signed consent ?That I do not know from your comment. The curator you talk about is probably a curette. This is used in a very common procedure called a D&C. Dilatation and Curettage (D&C) is a procedure in which the uterine lining is sampled with a metal device called a curette in order to determine if there is an abnormality with the cells that line the uterus (endometrium). Most commonly, this is done in order to help determine the cause of abnormal uterine bleeding. It would seem from what you say, that this is what they want to do so that they can find out what is wrong. I would urge you to have the test done, to find out why you have been bleeding for four years. It is fairly routine. It may be that you are afraid ? Is there anyone who you can talk to about this ? A friend who can support you while you go through it ? Is there any medical person you can talk to who can explain this procedure to you? Someone you can ask all the questions you need answered ? If you have all the facts you may feel better about it as opposed to now, when you only have hazy details. That can be very scary. It might help to write down all the questions you need to ask and find someone to sit down and go through them with you. Please contact me again if you need more help or to let me know how it is going. I will do whatever I can answer your questions. Take care of yourself and do get back to me.

Thank you for writing to me, Tempy. I do not know how to answer you because I do not know the law, but it seems (from reading your blog too) that someone has got a court order to make you go in hospital, to find out what is wrong with you or perhaps, because you are in danger or possibly suicidal

Hoping I might one day find my exit.

I don’t know because I don’t have all the facts. If you are in danger, for any reasons it may not be illegal or maybe you are under 18 and a parent or guardian has signed consent ?That I do not know from your comment.

The curator you talk about is probably a curette. This is used in a very common procedure called a D&C.

Dilatation and Curettage (D&C) is a procedure in which the uterine lining is sampled with a metal device called a curette in order to determine if there is an abnormality with the cells that line the uterus (endometrium). Most commonly, this is done in order to help determine the cause of abnormal uterine bleeding.

It would seem from what you say, that this is what they want to do so that they can find out what is wrong. I would urge you to have the test done, to find out why you have been bleeding for four years. It is fairly routine. It may be that you are afraid ? Is there anyone who you can talk to about this ? A friend who can support you while you go through it ?

Is there any medical person you can talk to who can explain this procedure to you? Someone you can ask all the questions you need answered ? If you have all the facts you may feel better about it as opposed to now, when you only have hazy details. That can be very scary. It might help to write down all the questions you need to ask and find someone to sit down and go through them with you.

Please contact me again if you need more help or to let me know how it is going. I will do whatever I can answer your questions. Take care of yourself and do get back to me.

]]> By: Tempy http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15163 Tempy Mon, 15 May 2006 10:17:15 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15163 Just curious if you can help me out here. you stated on the about thing, about War if you can't come we can't go I'm afraid planes flying tickets practical but fear Speak out way out way off down smells that comes to me bandages from the hospital that make me sick now Music in my ears to my ears my ears that sometimes don't hear block it out listen to that beauty I'm wondering i'm from a block roma court in Aust Jsut wondering you seem to talk alot about things that ring bells. I'm worried bout the hospital thing they want to force me into the hospital and put me under anasthetic and possibly insert something curator? I wanna leave, this is unfair I been bleeding 4 yrs strait and been ignored and now they wanna get the law behind them to operate. this is not even legal I don't think. Hoping I might one day find my exit. anyways If I sound insane nevermind.

Just curious if you can help me out here.

you stated on the about thing, about
War if you can’t come we can’t go I’m afraid planes flying tickets practical but fear
Speak out way out way off down smells that comes to me bandages from the hospital that make me sick now
Music in my ears to my ears my ears that sometimes don’t hear block it out listen to that beauty

I’m wondering i’m from a block roma court in Aust Jsut wondering you seem to talk alot about things that ring bells. I’m worried bout the hospital thing they want to force me into the hospital and put me under anasthetic and possibly insert something curator? I wanna leave, this is unfair I been bleeding 4 yrs strait and been ignored and now they wanna get the law behind them to operate. this is not even legal I don’t think. Hoping I might one day find my exit.

anyways If I sound insane nevermind.

]]> By: artemisia http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15162 artemisia Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:27:15 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15162 The horrid conditions you describe are violence. Going there, seeing that, has the same effect on you as witnessing a terribly violent event. But there are things that can be done. In other corners of the world, individuals and groups have responded creatively to help improve conditions for people living in such circumstances. One example is <a href="http://cfk.unc.edu/" rel="nofollow">Carolina For Kibera</a>, a program started by a college student who visited the Kibera slum on the outskirts of Nairobi. You mentioned picture taking, one of the offshoots of Carolina for Kibera is a program called <a href="http://cfk.unc.edu/binti-pamoja/" rel="nofollow">Binti Pamoja</a> (Daughters United). One project of Binti Pamoja provides disposable cameras to young girls living in the slum. They then take pictures, documenting their lives, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Some of the photos can be viewed <a href="http://cfk.unc.edu/binti-pamoja/exhibition/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. One of the lessons of Carolina for Kibera is that one person can make an amazing difference.

The horrid conditions you describe are violence. Going there, seeing that, has the same effect on you as witnessing a terribly violent event. But there are things that can be done. In other corners of the world, individuals and groups have responded creatively to help improve conditions for people living in such circumstances. One example is Carolina For Kibera, a program started by a college student who visited the Kibera slum on the outskirts of Nairobi. You mentioned picture taking, one of the offshoots of Carolina for Kibera is a program called Binti Pamoja (Daughters United). One project of Binti Pamoja provides disposable cameras to young girls living in the slum. They then take pictures, documenting their lives, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Some of the photos can be viewed here.

One of the lessons of Carolina for Kibera is that one person can make an amazing difference.

]]> By: deviousdiva http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15161 deviousdiva Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:09:45 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15161 Thank you all for your wonderful comments. I will be back with more after the weekend. The photograph "project" with the kids at the settlement looks as if it will happen. I also want to post more about what we can do. I am in contact with the Greek Helsinki Monitor so I will try and put together some ideas with them as soon as we can. They are overwhelmed with outstanding legal battles as always so bear with me until I have something more concrete. Thank you to everyone for the suggestions and offers of help. More soon, DD

Thank you all for your wonderful comments. I will be back with more after the weekend.

The photograph “project” with the kids at the settlement looks as if it will happen.

I also want to post more about what we can do. I am in contact with the Greek Helsinki Monitor so I will try and put together some ideas with them as soon as we can. They are overwhelmed with outstanding legal battles as always so bear with me until I have something more concrete.

Thank you to everyone for the suggestions and offers of help. More soon, DD

]]> By: Loxias http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15160 Loxias Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:34:30 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15160 This is a very important and astutely written post. So, here is something not a lot of people know about. Thanks.

This is a very important and astutely written post. So, here is something not a lot of people know about.

Thanks.

]]> By: laurelin http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15159 laurelin Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:53:32 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15159 Well done for bringing the plight of the Roma people in Athens to public attention, Diva. I've been to Athens several times, and I would never have known about this. Hugs.

Well done for bringing the plight of the Roma people in Athens to public attention, Diva. I’ve been to Athens several times, and I would never have known about this. Hugs.

]]> By: EllasDevil http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15158 EllasDevil Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:22:26 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15158 I think you've described this place and the people you've met there very well. I'll be honest along with everyone else and say I didn't have a clue this place existed until today. I think you've done a lot by highlighting your visit and perhaps you should email this post to the Athens News and see if they'd print it? I also wish the Greek Helsinki monitor all the best in their efforts.

I think you’ve described this place and the people you’ve met there very well. I’ll be honest along with everyone else and say I didn’t have a clue this place existed until today.

I think you’ve done a lot by highlighting your visit and perhaps you should email this post to the Athens News and see if they’d print it? I also wish the Greek Helsinki monitor all the best in their efforts.

]]> By: Greek Helsinki Monitor http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15157 Greek Helsinki Monitor Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:47:40 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15157 On behalf of the Roma concerned, I express gratitude to Cassi for the wonderful text which will be distributed internationally, in this international week against racism. I do not know if pictures can be inseretd here but there are plenty from that place. In http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/index.php?sec=194&cid=968 you may find the appeal of several Greek and international NGOs on the plight of and the eviction threats against these Roma. Also the UN Rapporteur on the sale of children etc. visited the plcae and said (his full text inlcuding references to the 502 missing street children - also Roma - is at http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/index.php?sec=194&cid=1357): "The situation of Roma and Roma children is a concern. I visited a Roma settlement in which housing conditions and sanitation are just not acceptable. Access to health and education is limited or lacking and social programmes are not providing assistance to the community. The State should take specific measures to improve the living conditions and the possibilities of development of Roma communities to give to Roma children alternatives other than street work or prostitution as survival strategies for them and their families." GHM is based largely on volunteer work. People like Cassi are welcomed to give a hand. We can be contacted at office@greekhelsinki.gr.

On behalf of the Roma concerned, I express gratitude to Cassi for the wonderful text which will be distributed internationally, in this international week against racism. I do not know if pictures can be inseretd here but there are plenty from that place.

In http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/ind.....mp;cid=968 you may find the appeal of several Greek and international NGOs on the plight of and the eviction threats against these Roma.

Also the UN Rapporteur on the sale of children etc. visited the plcae and said (his full text inlcuding references to the 502 missing street children - also Roma - is at http://cm.greekhelsinki.gr/ind.....p;cid=1357):

“The situation of Roma and Roma children is a concern. I visited a Roma settlement in which housing conditions and sanitation are just not acceptable. Access to health and education is limited or lacking and social programmes are not providing assistance to the community. The State should take specific measures to improve the living conditions and the possibilities of development of Roma communities to give to Roma children alternatives other than street work or prostitution as survival strategies for them and their families.”

GHM is based largely on volunteer work. People like Cassi are welcomed to give a hand. We can be contacted at office@greekhelsinki.gr.

]]> By: Kassandra http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15156 Kassandra Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:23:39 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15156 That's so very sad. I go to Gazi/Votanikos all the time and I had no idea this place existed. I understand your guilt. It's the guilt of being lucky enough to not have been born into that, and a strange feeling that we should not have the things we have if they don't. It's the guilt of the entire burden of Western civilization bearing down on us - guilt for things we did not cause and are not responsible for, but feel we have inherited from our forefathers. But just cause the majority of people don't give a damn and have never given a damn doesn't mean we can shoulder all the responsibility for them. All we can do is what you are doing - our small part, whatever we can. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

That’s so very sad. I go to Gazi/Votanikos all the time and I had no idea this place existed.
I understand your guilt. It’s the guilt of being lucky enough to not have been born into that, and a strange feeling that we should not have the things we have if they don’t. It’s the guilt of the entire burden of Western civilization bearing down on us - guilt for things we did not cause and are not responsible for, but feel we have inherited from our forefathers.
But just cause the majority of people don’t give a damn and have never given a damn doesn’t mean we can shoulder all the responsibility for them. All we can do is what you are doing - our small part, whatever we can.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

]]> By: SeaWitch http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15155 SeaWitch Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:21:52 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15155 Great observations Diva! Don't be so hard on yourself...you're bringing the plight of the Roma to people who otherwise, wouldn't even know about them let alone their living conditions. The fact that you took the time out of your day to visit their neighbourhood and then write about what you saw is a rare thing. Other than paid news sites, I don't know of anyone else who has even bothered to give them a passing glance let alone devote an entire day to the hardships they endure. Never understimate the power of raising awareness. Without people like you and Human Rights NGOs, the Roma, human trafficking, the Rwandan genocide and Sudan's horrors would slip into oblivion without so much as a raised eyebrow from anyone.

Great observations Diva! Don’t be so hard on yourself…you’re bringing the plight of the Roma to people who otherwise, wouldn’t even know about them let alone their living conditions. The fact that you took the time out of your day to visit their neighbourhood and then write about what you saw is a rare thing. Other than paid news sites, I don’t know of anyone else who has even bothered to give them a passing glance let alone devote an entire day to the hardships they endure. Never understimate the power of raising awareness. Without people like you and Human Rights NGOs, the Roma, human trafficking, the Rwandan genocide and Sudan’s horrors would slip into oblivion without so much as a raised eyebrow from anyone.

]]> By: zardoz http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15154 zardoz Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:08:59 +0000 http://deviousdiva.com/2006/03/23/the-visit-3/#comment-15154 zardoz says: seems you were in my neighborhood today i work up a ways from there. did yoy meet the motorcycle rom with the triple wheels,,? nice to have ya. theres always children of rom descent trying to find a way to rip you off, usually i give them the choice to come up a ways from IERA ODOS to the fast food joints and feed them , never give them any money. thats about as much as i can do . many coversations about learning sometimes come about and a couple of years back , went and bought some books with pictures and large writing, and handed them their not really into owning anything. but what i could do ,, i did. and if you think thats hell you should see , NATO avenue at the beggining of aspropyrgos at the end of ano liosia. stalag =Z=

zardoz says:
seems you were in my neighborhood today
i work up a ways from there.
did yoy meet the motorcycle rom
with the triple wheels,,?
nice to have ya.
theres always children of rom descent
trying to find a way to rip you off,
usually i give them the choice to come
up a ways from IERA ODOS to the fast food
joints and feed them ,
never give them any money.
thats about as much
as i can do . many coversations about
learning sometimes come about
and a couple of years back ,
went and bought some books with pictures
and large writing, and handed them
their not really into owning anything.
but what i could do ,, i did.
and if you think thats hell
you should see , NATO avenue
at the beggining of aspropyrgos
at the end of ano liosia. stalag
=Z=

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