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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14736</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks seawitch, always good to have support. American History X is in my dvd collection. The other two I know of and are on my list of wanna-see. Good for you, renting these for free.</description>
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<p>Thanks seawitch, always good to have support. American History X is in my dvd collection. The other two I know of and are on my list of wanna-see. Good for you, renting these for free.
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		<title>By: The SeaWitch</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14735</link>
		<dc:creator>The SeaWitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you Diva! Glad to see you haven't lost the spirit needed to tackle such a thorny and often volatile issue.

If we don't speak up then the only voices to be heard are the rants of the xenophobes.

On a different but related topic...have you seen the movies 
Hotel Rwanda (Don Cheadle)
Crash (Don Cheadle, Sandra Bullock, Matt Dillon)
American History X?? (Edward Norton)

I often rent these movies for free at my stores because I really believe they're 'must see' movies for anyone. I've found that many people don't consider themselves racists if they 'have no problem' with blacks while at the same time tell me that asians/arabs/eastern europeans are the real problem. The movie 'Crash' portrays racism within ethnicities who are often racism victims themselves.</description>
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<p>Good for you Diva! Glad to see you haven&#8217;t lost the spirit needed to tackle such a thorny and often volatile issue.</p>
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<p>If we don&#8217;t speak up then the only voices to be heard are the rants of the xenophobes.</p>
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<p>On a different but related topic&#8230;have you seen the movies<br />
Hotel Rwanda (Don Cheadle)<br />
Crash (Don Cheadle, Sandra Bullock, Matt Dillon)<br />
American History X?? (Edward Norton)</p>
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<p>I often rent these movies for free at my stores because I really believe they&#8217;re &#8216;must see&#8217; movies for anyone. I&#8217;ve found that many people don&#8217;t consider themselves racists if they &#8216;have no problem&#8217; with blacks while at the same time tell me that asians/arabs/eastern europeans are the real problem. The movie &#8216;Crash&#8217; portrays racism within ethnicities who are often racism victims themselves.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14734</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi loxias, Actually I completely missed the smiley (computer brain not totally engaged)!
hello zardoz, what can I say? You are absolutely spot on with this: 
"alot of emotions
by all,
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and those who read....."</description>
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<p>Hi loxias, Actually I completely missed the smiley (computer brain not totally engaged)!<br />
hello zardoz, what can I say? You are absolutely spot on with this:<br />
&#8220;alot of emotions<br />
by all,<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;those who wrote<br />
and those who read&#8230;..&#8221;
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14733</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZARDOZ SAYS:

INTERESTING...dialogue

.... alot of emotions

by all, 
.........those who wrote
and those who read.....

 i'd like to stress  ms DD , and all 
that the evidence behind everyones
ideas seeps from different upbringings
and very different "statistical information evidence" ....

Which by the way who or what creates
the INFORMATION FUNNEL..?

which we all baptise our personalities
to take a stand when the time comes for each and every one . 

------wrong or right??-------
 I am old enough and have been stupid
enough in the past,,  and maybe tomorrow too (i will try not too) 

TO have been unflexible  and violent
in my opinions towards the other opinion other than the one that i defended,  

but thru emotinal selftorture 
(yes it has a cost, on both sides)

maybe less on the side that is mostly religious , because god will forgive 
anything to anyone willing to give it to him (god), so selfcleansing is done
(i mean no disrespect to anyone)

those of course without one (god)(and gods there are many...dynasty,gold,etc..depend on what you pray for)

carry more of the burden for their actions and such, because its difficult to pass on responsibilities
to something that is not there .
BUT ONLY YOU.

THUS WE HAVE STALEMATES..

NOT . . . D I A L O G U E,
its essential so try to lose the emotions.... try....


and to give some iformation on 
personal basis

  I was black or a spic in chigago
  because of greek heritage(dark skin)
    _early and late seventies_
 and until i lived it down a bit,
  I was an american .."imperialst"
    _late eightys_
   in athens....because my accent was
   a bit different or saw thru hyphens 
   (as scruffy somewere mentioned)
Thats how i felt ,
 SO lets try
..........to get the facts straight
 as DRAGNET used to say 
      "just the facts"...mam

noone is going to shut up noone
unless they take him for a drink
to CUBA,, you know guandanamo beach hotel. 

and one thing at a time ,,

seems i opened up a whole can of worms 
for my therapy.

thank you.
-----------------zardoz</description>
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<p>INTERESTING&#8230;dialogue</p>
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<p>&#8230;. alot of emotions</p>
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<p>by all,<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;those who wrote<br />
and those who read&#8230;..</p>
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<p> i&#8217;d like to stress  ms DD , and all<br />
that the evidence behind everyones<br />
ideas seeps from different upbringings<br />
and very different &#8220;statistical information evidence&#8221; &#8230;.</p>
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<p>Which by the way who or what creates<br />
the INFORMATION FUNNEL..?</p>
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<p>which we all baptise our personalities<br />
to take a stand when the time comes for each and every one . </p>
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<p>&#8212;&#8212;wrong or right??&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
 I am old enough and have been stupid<br />
enough in the past,,  and maybe tomorrow too (i will try not too) </p>
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<p>TO have been unflexible  and violent<br />
in my opinions towards the other opinion other than the one that i defended,  </p>
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<p>but thru emotinal selftorture<br />
(yes it has a cost, on both sides)</p>
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<p>maybe less on the side that is mostly religious , because god will forgive<br />
anything to anyone willing to give it to him (god), so selfcleansing is done<br />
(i mean no disrespect to anyone)</p>
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<p>those of course without one (god)(and gods there are many&#8230;dynasty,gold,etc..depend on what you pray for)</p>
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<p>carry more of the burden for their actions and such, because its difficult to pass on responsibilities<br />
to something that is not there .<br />
BUT ONLY YOU.</p>
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<p>THUS WE HAVE STALEMATES..</p>
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<p>NOT . . . D I A L O G U E,<br />
its essential so try to lose the emotions&#8230;. try&#8230;.</p>
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<p>and to give some iformation on<br />
personal basis</p>
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<p>  I was black or a spic in chigago<br />
  because of greek heritage(dark skin)<br />
    _early and late seventies_<br />
 and until i lived it down a bit,<br />
  I was an american ..&#8221;imperialst&#8221;<br />
    _late eightys_<br />
   in athens&#8230;.because my accent was<br />
   a bit different or saw thru hyphens<br />
   (as scruffy somewere mentioned)<br />
Thats how i felt ,<br />
 SO lets try<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.to get the facts straight<br />
 as DRAGNET used to say<br />
      &#8220;just the facts&#8221;&#8230;mam</p>
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<p>noone is going to shut up noone<br />
unless they take him for a drink<br />
to CUBA,, you know guandanamo beach hotel. </p>
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<p>and one thing at a time ,,</p>
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<p>seems i opened up a whole can of worms<br />
for my therapy.</p>
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<p>thank you.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;zardoz
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		<title>By: Loxias</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14732</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, don't you worry, I was really half-joking, hence the smiley in the previous comment. But the non-joking half was more disturbed and bewildered than offended...

BTW, I found very interesting the point you make about 'names' amounting to abuse and your focus on the assaults against 'rabid feminists' and 'contrived political correctness'.</description>
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<p>Oh, don&#8217;t you worry, I was really half-joking, hence the smiley in the previous comment. But the non-joking half was more disturbed and bewildered than offended&#8230;</p>
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<p>BTW, I found very interesting the point you make about &#8216;names&#8217; amounting to abuse and your focus on the assaults against &#8216;rabid feminists&#8217; and &#8216;contrived political correctness&#8217;.
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		<title>By: Winter Woods</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14731</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting connection between the backlash against anti-racism and feminism. I (being white) wasn't hugely aware of this. 

When I was a kid growing up in Wales there was massive peer pressure to use words like "paki" and "chinky." Any kid who tried to resist was at risk of extra bullying. I have no problem with "political correctness" putting pressure on people to change this situation and make such language unacceptable.</description>
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<p>Interesting connection between the backlash against anti-racism and feminism. I (being white) wasn&#8217;t hugely aware of this. </p>
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<p>When I was a kid growing up in Wales there was massive peer pressure to use words like &#8220;paki&#8221; and &#8220;chinky.&#8221; Any kid who tried to resist was at risk of extra bullying. I have no problem with &#8220;political correctness&#8221; putting pressure on people to change this situation and make such language unacceptable.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14730</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi loxias, thank you for your kind words. I am sorry that you feel like that. I think I had made it clear what the blog is about ("The blog is just more of the same "statistical evidence" on why black people are inferior, rants against the left and assorted muslim and gay bashing that we have come to expect from our favorite commenter"). He is a very frequent visitor over here and the catalyst for me writing the "Sisters" and "Shut Up" posts. This is the kind of stuff we are up against. Apologies that it upset you.</description>
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<p>Hi loxias, thank you for your kind words. I am sorry that you feel like that. I think I had made it clear what the blog is about (&#8221;The blog is just more of the same &#8220;statistical evidence&#8221; on why black people are inferior, rants against the left and assorted muslim and gay bashing that we have come to expect from our favorite commenter&#8221;). He is a very frequent visitor over here and the catalyst for me writing the &#8220;Sisters&#8221; and &#8220;Shut Up&#8221; posts. This is the kind of stuff we are up against. Apologies that it upset you.
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		<title>By: Loxias</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14729</link>
		<dc:creator>Loxias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very acutely written post. You are right.

But please, never &lt;I&gt;ever&lt;/I&gt; again refer us to people saying stuff like AIDS being a black disease and so on. We do not deserve getting exposed to this, you know; some of us are of a more irritable disposition, too... :-)</description>
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<p>A very acutely written post. You are right.</p>
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<p>But please, never <i>ever</i> again refer us to people saying stuff like AIDS being a black disease and so on. We do not deserve getting exposed to this, you know; some of us are of a more irritable disposition, too&#8230; <img src='http://deviousdiva.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you flubberwinkle, I couldn't agree with you more when you write "a better world will be achieved by small torturous steps at a time instead of huge alleviating leaps".
This post is as much to remind myself not to shut up as much as anyone else.</description>
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<p>Thank you flubberwinkle, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more when you write &#8220;a better world will be achieved by small torturous steps at a time instead of huge alleviating leaps&#8221;.<br />
This post is as much to remind myself not to shut up as much as anyone else.
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		<title>By: Flubberwinkle</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2006/01/18/shut-up/#comment-14727</link>
		<dc:creator>Flubberwinkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminds us all of our responsibilities as citizens of the world: "There is still so much to do."
It's the Rosa Parks of this world that will add the humane in Humanity. Unfortunately, a better world will be achieved by small torturous steps at a time instead of huge alleviating leaps. Your blog is a step in that direction! Don't shut up and keep reminding us that we shouldn't either!</description>
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<p>This post reminds us all of our responsibilities as citizens of the world: &#8220;There is still so much to do.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s the Rosa Parks of this world that will add the humane in Humanity. Unfortunately, a better world will be achieved by small torturous steps at a time instead of huge alleviating leaps. Your blog is a step in that direction! Don&#8217;t shut up and keep reminding us that we shouldn&#8217;t either!
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