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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14398</link>
		<dc:creator>deviousdiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ethnocentrist wrote "Are you too lazy to look it up yourself?" 
I know it wasn't directed at me but I think it depends where you look things up doesn't it? It's not laziness. It's the fact that there is so much conflicting information out there. I would probably never come across links that you post because my searches are different to yours?</description>
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<p>ethnocentrist wrote &#8220;Are you too lazy to look it up yourself?&#8221;<br />
I know it wasn&#8217;t directed at me but I think it depends where you look things up doesn&#8217;t it? It&#8217;s not laziness. It&#8217;s the fact that there is so much conflicting information out there. I would probably never come across links that you post because my searches are different to yours?
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14397</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate the way these links drop off the page like that! Yuk. ethnocentrist, can you put a break in that very long link (the ip.kyusan one) that makes me break out in spots? I know it's pedantic but I hate it.</description>
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<p>I really hate the way these links drop off the page like that! Yuk. ethnocentrist, can you put a break in that very long link (the ip.kyusan one) that makes me break out in spots? I know it&#8217;s pedantic but I hate it.
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		<title>By: Ethnocentrist</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14396</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethnocentrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Are you too lazy to look it up yourself?

&lt;I&gt;Equally all-American is Wu’s idea that the U.S. should have open immigration with no national origin restrictions. No country in Asia allows it. In &lt;B&gt;Alien Nation&lt;/B&gt;, Peter Brimelow reported the responses of the Chinese, Taiwanese, Indian, and Filipino embassies, when asked if an American could immigrate to their country:

&lt;B&gt;China&lt;/B&gt;: “China does not accept any immigrants. We have a large enough population.”

&lt;B&gt;Taiwan&lt;/B&gt;: You need Taiwanese relatives by blood or marriage.

&lt;B&gt;India&lt;/B&gt;: “Are you of Indian origin?”

By Indian origin, the Indians mean Indian descent - an outright racial classification. 

Every country in Asia has policies like that. If America were to adopt Asian-style immigration policies, perhaps as a result of the influence of Asian-American public intellectuals, I don’t think the Americanized Professor Wu would appreciate it.&lt;/I&gt;

http://www.vdare.com/fulford/wu.htm


&lt;I&gt;In recognition, the government is thinking of loosening its restrictive immigration policy. 

But any changes may come as a shock to a nation where registered foreigners make up just over 1% of its population.&lt;/I&gt;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3708098.stm

"Registered foreigners" means workers.


&lt;I&gt;Traditional Japan’s immigration policy was not willing to allow permanent residence for
resident aliens. In the case of a spouse or child of Japanese or a permanent resident, a 3-
year residential term was required. Otherwise, a 20-year continuous residential term was
necessary to be allowed a permanent residence permit.&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;I&gt;c) Citizenship
It is reported that more than 330,000 individuals were naturalized in Japan from 1945 to
2000. Most of them are Koreans and Chinese as shown in table 4.&lt;/I&gt;

http://www.ip.kyusan-u.ac.jp/J/keizai/pdffiles/Development%20of%20Immigration%20Policy%20in%20Japan.pdf


This isn't brain surgery NOR a secret in anyway for you to want to give it the "fine tooth comb" treatment.</description>
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<p>Mike,</p>
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<p>Are you too lazy to look it up yourself?</p>
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<p><i>Equally all-American is Wu’s idea that the U.S. should have open immigration with no national origin restrictions. No country in Asia allows it. In <b>Alien Nation</b>, Peter Brimelow reported the responses of the Chinese, Taiwanese, Indian, and Filipino embassies, when asked if an American could immigrate to their country:</i></p>
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<p><b>China</b>: “China does not accept any immigrants. We have a large enough population.”</p>
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<p><b>Taiwan</b>: You need Taiwanese relatives by blood or marriage.</p>
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<p><b>India</b>: “Are you of Indian origin?”</p>
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<p>By Indian origin, the Indians mean Indian descent - an outright racial classification. </p>
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<p>Every country in Asia has policies like that. If America were to adopt Asian-style immigration policies, perhaps as a result of the influence of Asian-American public intellectuals, I don’t think the Americanized Professor Wu would appreciate it.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.vdare.com/fulford/wu.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vdare.com/fulford/wu.htm</a></p>
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<p><i>In recognition, the government is thinking of loosening its restrictive immigration policy. </i></p>
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<p>But any changes may come as a shock to a nation where registered foreigners make up just over 1% of its population.</p>
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<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3708098.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....708098.stm</a></p>
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<p>&#8220;Registered foreigners&#8221; means workers.</p>
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<p><i>Traditional Japan’s immigration policy was not willing to allow permanent residence for<br />
resident aliens. In the case of a spouse or child of Japanese or a permanent resident, a 3-<br />
year residential term was required. Otherwise, a 20-year continuous residential term was<br />
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<p><i>c) Citizenship<br />
It is reported that more than 330,000 individuals were naturalized in Japan from 1945 to<br />
2000. Most of them are Koreans and Chinese as shown in table 4.</i></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.ip.kyusan-u.ac.jp/J/keizai/pdffiles/Development%20of%20Immigration%20Policy%20in%20Japan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ip.kyusan-u.ac.jp/J.....0Japan.pdf</a></p>
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<p>This isn&#8217;t brain surgery NOR a secret in anyway for you to want to give it the &#8220;fine tooth comb&#8221; treatment.
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14395</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ethnocentrist: “As I've repeatedly stated”. Quite. But that doesn’t establish it as fact. And as for countries sending off wave upon wave, I think that is stretching credibility. 

Please will you provide source links for your claims on India, China and Japan. Thanks.</description>
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<p>To Ethnocentrist: “As I&#8217;ve repeatedly stated”. Quite. But that doesn’t establish it as fact. And as for countries sending off wave upon wave, I think that is stretching credibility. </p>
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<p>Please will you provide source links for your claims on India, China and Japan. Thanks.
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		<title>By: Ethnocentrist</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14394</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;You and me would be neighbours! Yes, really, because unless Greece is going to get out of the EU too, I would still be here and you would be sent back.&lt;/I&gt;

I was only responding to the above.  I think we've dealt with the "black" issue and was not re-opening anything.

&lt;I&gt;In my colourful background, there was no "sneaking in". Appropriate paperwork was filled in. Proper channels were taken. Heads were put down and worth was proved.&lt;/I&gt;  

Very funny.  LOL I like that.  

&lt;I&gt;Your main problem seems to be that you don't like non-european immigration?&lt;/I&gt;

Well, that is the crux of the problem, isn't it?  Europe IS for Europeans.  We no longer are in times of nomadic tribes that wander the countrysides and settle areas.  We have nations with boundaries, laws, rules, and citizenry with culture that is ancient.  Europe is not an "immigrant" continent.  

Two reasons for the above:

1) We are seeing the incompatibility of distant immigrants, both culturally and genetically, and their effects on Europe.  We do not need to beat this dead horse any longer.  Some things may work, others do not.  And with the case of distant immigration, as a whole, it does NOT.

2) As I've repeatedly stated, all other countries that send off wave upon wave of unwanted immigrants do NOT reciprocate in taking anyone "foreign" in.  And it does not have to do with financial reasons, it has to do with genetic reasons as places like India, China, Japan, and Israel all want ONLY their respective people in their countries. This double standard alone is enough to halt immigration and repatriate most of them.  Whites and Europe are somehow obliged to take in everyone from the planet.  This makes absolutely no sense.</description>
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<p><i>You and me would be neighbours! Yes, really, because unless Greece is going to get out of the EU too, I would still be here and you would be sent back.</i></p>
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<p>I was only responding to the above.  I think we&#8217;ve dealt with the &#8220;black&#8221; issue and was not re-opening anything.</p>
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<p><i>In my colourful background, there was no &#8220;sneaking in&#8221;. Appropriate paperwork was filled in. Proper channels were taken. Heads were put down and worth was proved.</i>  </p>
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<p>Very funny.  LOL I like that.  </p>
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<p><i>Your main problem seems to be that you don&#8217;t like non-european immigration?</i></p>
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<p>Well, that is the crux of the problem, isn&#8217;t it?  Europe IS for Europeans.  We no longer are in times of nomadic tribes that wander the countrysides and settle areas.  We have nations with boundaries, laws, rules, and citizenry with culture that is ancient.  Europe is not an &#8220;immigrant&#8221; continent.  </p>
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<p>Two reasons for the above:</p>
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<p>1) We are seeing the incompatibility of distant immigrants, both culturally and genetically, and their effects on Europe.  We do not need to beat this dead horse any longer.  Some things may work, others do not.  And with the case of distant immigration, as a whole, it does NOT.</p>
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<p>2) As I&#8217;ve repeatedly stated, all other countries that send off wave upon wave of unwanted immigrants do NOT reciprocate in taking anyone &#8220;foreign&#8221; in.  And it does not have to do with financial reasons, it has to do with genetic reasons as places like India, China, Japan, and Israel all want ONLY their respective people in their countries. This double standard alone is enough to halt immigration and repatriate most of them.  Whites and Europe are somehow obliged to take in everyone from the planet.  This makes absolutely no sense.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Al Sharpton and many others says about ancient african civilizations is a hotly debated subject. The denial or brushing aside of african history is common practice. I am sure there are thousands of websites devoted to the "who invented what". Personally, I am not overly concerned about who started, discovered or invented what. What does concern me is that we  have accomplished so much but instead of celebrating our acheivements, we fight over who did it first. Does it really matter if Africans invented mathematics or the Greeks invented astrology? Our modern civilisation is such a mess, perhaps we should focus more attention on that instead of sitting back and saying we were great once so we don't have to bother anymore.</description>
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<p>What Al Sharpton and many others says about ancient african civilizations is a hotly debated subject. The denial or brushing aside of african history is common practice. I am sure there are thousands of websites devoted to the &#8220;who invented what&#8221;. Personally, I am not overly concerned about who started, discovered or invented what. What does concern me is that we  have accomplished so much but instead of celebrating our acheivements, we fight over who did it first. Does it really matter if Africans invented mathematics or the Greeks invented astrology? Our modern civilisation is such a mess, perhaps we should focus more attention on that instead of sitting back and saying we were great once so we don&#8217;t have to bother anymore.
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		<title>By: Doug Dangur (A Gay Man and a Gay Journalist)</title>
		<link>http://deviousdiva.com/2005/11/25/integration-2/#comment-14392</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Dangur (A Gay Man and a Gay Journalist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darling Diva, I can't wait to hear what Ethni has to say now.  I think that black people have done quite a bit for modern man.  I'm going to quote the famous Rev. Al Sharpton in America, who although tends to be a bit homophobic (like many religious people), he did make a good point. 

He once said, "White folks was in caves while we was building empires. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it"

Of course, I'm sure that Ethni would dispute this.  Does the Reverend have any basis in fact though?  What's your thought Diva?</description>
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<p>Darling Diva, I can&#8217;t wait to hear what Ethni has to say now.  I think that black people have done quite a bit for modern man.  I&#8217;m going to quote the famous Rev. Al Sharpton in America, who although tends to be a bit homophobic (like many religious people), he did make a good point. </p>
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<p>He once said, &#8220;White folks was in caves while we was building empires. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it&#8221;</p>
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<p>Of course, I&#8217;m sure that Ethni would dispute this.  Does the Reverend have any basis in fact though?  What&#8217;s your thought Diva?
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we're back to that old chestnut, ethnocentrist. My family tree is, perhaps, more complicated then yours but without giving away personal details, there is a "significant intermixing". Why do I refer to myself as black? Black encompasses a multitude of variations as does white. When there is a little box to tick that accurately describes what I actually am, I will choose that. 

In my colourful background, there was no "sneaking in". Appropriate paperwork was filled in. Proper channels were taken. Heads were  put down and worth was proved. Your main problem seems to be that you don't like non-european immigration? I can't help you with that. As Europe expands and other "close cousins" and neighbours are joining or have joined I assume you will not have a problem with them emmigrating? Or do you have other limits to your opinion on who is "worthy" to join your club? Skin colour? Eating habits? Height?</description>
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<p>So we&#8217;re back to that old chestnut, ethnocentrist. My family tree is, perhaps, more complicated then yours but without giving away personal details, there is a &#8220;significant intermixing&#8221;. Why do I refer to myself as black? Black encompasses a multitude of variations as does white. When there is a little box to tick that accurately describes what I actually am, I will choose that. </p>
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<p>In my colourful background, there was no &#8220;sneaking in&#8221;. Appropriate paperwork was filled in. Proper channels were taken. Heads were  put down and worth was proved. Your main problem seems to be that you don&#8217;t like non-european immigration? I can&#8217;t help you with that. As Europe expands and other &#8220;close cousins&#8221; and neighbours are joining or have joined I assume you will not have a problem with them emmigrating? Or do you have other limits to your opinion on who is &#8220;worthy&#8221; to join your club? Skin colour? Eating habits? Height?
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		<title>By: schatzli</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont worry ethy I wont claim greek citizenship inspite the fact having lived here on and off for the past 22 years. 

intergration doesnt mean auto citizenship you know....

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<p>dont worry ethy I wont claim greek citizenship inspite the fact having lived here on and off for the past 22 years. </p>
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<p>intergration doesnt mean auto citizenship you know&#8230;.</p>
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<p>the &#8220;filipena&#8221;&#8230;.
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		<title>By: Ethnocentrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethnocentrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;we are close cousins and total strangers&lt;/I&gt;

Should read...

&lt;I&gt;we are close cousins and &lt;B&gt;NOT&lt;/B&gt; total strangers&lt;/I&gt;</description>
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<p><i>we are close cousins and total strangers</i></p>
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<p>Should read&#8230;</p>
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<p><i>we are close cousins and <b>NOT</b> total strangers</i>
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		<title>By: Ethnocentrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethnocentrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the commenters that are so worried about their Greek-"whatever" friends after my comments on where to draw the line of immigrant integration, don't be.  Here is a post I made "on another blog" that clearly shows where I stand and where most of you err.  Hope this clarifies things.  

Diva, in the case I was sent back to Greece, did Jamaica make it into the EU while I was sleeping or something?  I do recall stating &lt;B&gt;with significant intermixing&lt;/B&gt; as one of my prerequisites in staying.  If there has been that in your family tree, then why do you refer to yourself as "black" then?  I'm sure you will have a reply to this as well.

To the "Filipena", who states that one becomes automatically a Greek and citizen after 3 generations, I direct her to precedents set by her Asian cousins, both East and South, Arab nations, Israel, and many African nations where it does not matter how many generations a people resided there, they would never be "citizens".  My only wish is for Europeans to follow the excellent examples already set by her Asian kin.  That shouldn't be a problem, should it?    


&lt;I&gt;There is no viable commonality nor comparison between the immigrant waves of the past into places like the US, Australia, Canada, and some parts of Europe. &lt;B&gt;Those waves were invited and were required to settle and/or populate the places in question, or helped in the productivity of the host European countries due to shortage of labour&lt;/B&gt;. That is one difference. 

The second is that &lt;B&gt;these European(Greek) immigrants of the past did so after going through appropriate channels and paperwork. None of them snuck in and disregarded the hosts to their and the host's detriment&lt;/B&gt;. 

A third difference is that the European immigrants, even though discriminated against by many Anglo derived host countries, &lt;B&gt;did not cry, moan, wail, seek legal recourse, mewl of discrimination, or march in protest. What they DID do is learn the language (usually English) and assimilate into their host countries&lt;/B&gt;. They put their heads down and worked even harder to prove their worth, which they did clearly. Most became successful and their children even more so. 

Lastly, &lt;B&gt;the European immigrants of the past still WERE European&lt;/B&gt;, that is of similar genetic and cultural stock. With this, they had much commonality with their hosts. The hosts did not have to create some monstrosity named PC or hate laws in order to appease the immigrants because both, the host and immigrants were very similar. That is why the immigrant waves of the past melted into a unified America, Canada, and Australia. Many Greeks feel at home calling themselves British and German as well. The reason is that we are close cousins and total strangers. A very important distinction. Not so at all with our new, unwanted, unneeded, non-assimilating, genetically distant "saviours". 

Very simple to understand really, especially after shedding the shackles of PC and white Euro guilt that has been heaped around our collective necks over the last 40-50 years. 

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<p>For the commenters that are so worried about their Greek-&#8221;whatever&#8221; friends after my comments on where to draw the line of immigrant integration, don&#8217;t be.  Here is a post I made &#8220;on another blog&#8221; that clearly shows where I stand and where most of you err.  Hope this clarifies things.  </p>
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<p>Diva, in the case I was sent back to Greece, did Jamaica make it into the EU while I was sleeping or something?  I do recall stating <b>with significant intermixing</b> as one of my prerequisites in staying.  If there has been that in your family tree, then why do you refer to yourself as &#8220;black&#8221; then?  I&#8217;m sure you will have a reply to this as well.</p>
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<p>To the &#8220;Filipena&#8221;, who states that one becomes automatically a Greek and citizen after 3 generations, I direct her to precedents set by her Asian cousins, both East and South, Arab nations, Israel, and many African nations where it does not matter how many generations a people resided there, they would never be &#8220;citizens&#8221;.  My only wish is for Europeans to follow the excellent examples already set by her Asian kin.  That shouldn&#8217;t be a problem, should it?    </p>
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<p><i>There is no viable commonality nor comparison between the immigrant waves of the past into places like the US, Australia, Canada, and some parts of Europe. <b>Those waves were invited and were required to settle and/or populate the places in question, or helped in the productivity of the host European countries due to shortage of labour</b>. That is one difference. </i></p>
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<p>The second is that <b>these European(Greek) immigrants of the past did so after going through appropriate channels and paperwork. None of them snuck in and disregarded the hosts to their and the host&#8217;s detriment</b>. </p>
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<p>A third difference is that the European immigrants, even though discriminated against by many Anglo derived host countries, <b>did not cry, moan, wail, seek legal recourse, mewl of discrimination, or march in protest. What they DID do is learn the language (usually English) and assimilate into their host countries</b>. They put their heads down and worked even harder to prove their worth, which they did clearly. Most became successful and their children even more so. </p>
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<p>Lastly, <b>the European immigrants of the past still WERE European</b>, that is of similar genetic and cultural stock. With this, they had much commonality with their hosts. The hosts did not have to create some monstrosity named PC or hate laws in order to appease the immigrants because both, the host and immigrants were very similar. That is why the immigrant waves of the past melted into a unified America, Canada, and Australia. Many Greeks feel at home calling themselves British and German as well. The reason is that we are close cousins and total strangers. A very important distinction. Not so at all with our new, unwanted, unneeded, non-assimilating, genetically distant &#8220;saviours&#8221;. </p>
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<p>Very simple to understand really, especially after shedding the shackles of PC and white Euro guilt that has been heaped around our collective necks over the last 40-50 years. </p>
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<p>Posted by: Ethnocentrist | Sunday, November 27, 2005 at 18:34
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		<description>hehe i wonder when etny will dig my files on my blog about greece.</description>
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<p>hehe i wonder when etny will dig my files on my blog about greece.
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this thread makes me wonder how my greek -american, greek -australian, greek-british, greek-canadian friends  feel?

Their host countries welcomed their papoudes and yayades with open arms and the younger generation intergrate into the american, canadian, australian and british society with a strong greekness identity at their own homes. 

Most of my friends are already of the 3rd generations and cannot be called immigrants BUT CITIZENS.

A blog is a personal opinion I believed if you do not like the content, move on .. skip over!</description>
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<p>this thread makes me wonder how my greek -american, greek -australian, greek-british, greek-canadian friends  feel?</p>
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<p>Their host countries welcomed their papoudes and yayades with open arms and the younger generation intergrate into the american, canadian, australian and british society with a strong greekness identity at their own homes. </p>
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<p>Most of my friends are already of the 3rd generations and cannot be called immigrants BUT CITIZENS.</p>
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<p>A blog is a personal opinion I believed if you do not like the content, move on .. skip over!
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		<description>Yes, think you're right there, schatzli - it takes both sides to integrate. If an immigrant population (in effect) build their own ghettos (hovels, palatial, or in-between)....</description>
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<p>Yes, think you&#8217;re right there, schatzli - it takes both sides to integrate. If an immigrant population (in effect) build their own ghettos (hovels, palatial, or in-between)&#8230;.
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		<title>By: deviousdiva</title>
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		<description>By the way, hi schatzli and thank you for your comment. Come back soonest.</description>
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<p>By the way, hi schatzli and thank you for your comment. Come back soonest.
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